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Offline G-Unit

Re: Kate and Gerry and the jemmied shutter claim.
« Reply #390 on: August 01, 2015, 04:26:29 PM »
Do we even know if the window was opened from the outside, or if it was opened from the inside.  Nor do we have any idea why it was opened at all.

We don't even know if it was ever opened.  8(>((      We do know, however, that the relatives and friends believed that  the shutters been jemmied, forced, smashed or broken. Some of them thought the doors were locked. some of them thought the police were doing nothing. The myth of the police doing nothing is still being spread all these years later.

Trish Cameron;

The door was open and the window in the bedroom and shutters were jemmied open.

the front door was lying open; the window had been tampered with; the shutters had been jammied open... or whatever you call it, and Madeleine was missing.

Jon Corner;

 "She just blurted out that Madeleine had been abducted. She told me, 'They have broken the shutter on the window and taken my little girl.'

"They had left the apartment locked while they were having their meal, but when they went back the last time they saw the damage."

"She's also very upset that the police don't seem to be doing more to find Madeleine. She thinks there's too little happening."

Jill Renwick;

"The shutters had been broken open and they've gone into the room and taken her."

"I spoke to them this morning and they said the police had done nothing overnight and they felt as if they'd been left on their own. They just don't know where to turn."

Philomena McCann;

 "Some people may ask why they left the children alone in the apartment but it was locked and they had a full view of the front door and they were checking every half hour."

Brian Healy;

"Gerry told me when they went back the shutters to the room were broken, they were jemmied up and she was gone," said Mr Healy. "She'd been taken from the chalet. The door was open."
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Kate and Gerry and the jemmied shutter claim.
« Reply #391 on: August 01, 2015, 04:31:04 PM »
my point is...that contrary to what g posted a force does not necessarily cause damage...

Context davel. 'Lifting' and 'raising' a shutter doesn't imply damage. 'Forcing' a shutter does.
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Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Kate and Gerry and the jemmied shutter claim.
« Reply #392 on: August 01, 2015, 04:37:30 PM »
Not a logical conclusion.  Surely you can do better than that.
1 It wasn't a conclusion it was an observation.
2 Probably, but if we work on the premise that for an abduction to take place it is essential for the paths of the abductor and the child to cross and that the child getting out is not an option, says all and sundry, then the abductor gained entrance and exit. Perm any one from several options. Which is your favourite then?
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Offline Eleanor

Re: Kate and Gerry and the jemmied shutter claim.
« Reply #393 on: August 01, 2015, 04:51:01 PM »
Context davel. 'Lifting' and 'raising' a shutter doesn't imply damage. 'Forcing' a shutter does.

No it doesn't.  That good old word, "Implied" again.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Kate and Gerry and the jemmied shutter claim.
« Reply #394 on: August 01, 2015, 06:03:33 PM »
Context davel. 'Lifting' and 'raising' a shutter doesn't imply damage. 'Forcing' a shutter does.

no it doesn't necessarily...as I explained about the ratchet system.  Raising the shutter against the ratchet system from the outside would require a degree of force but not enough to cause damage. Anyone who understands what a ratchet is would understand this....it seems you don't.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Kate and Gerry and the jemmied shutter claim.
« Reply #395 on: August 01, 2015, 06:04:45 PM »
No it doesn't.  That good old word, "Implied" again.

yes ....g has inferred that Gerry was implying something...an inference she has no right to make

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Kate and Gerry and the jemmied shutter claim.
« Reply #396 on: August 01, 2015, 06:07:43 PM »
We don't even know if it was ever opened.  8(>((      We do know, however, that the relatives and friends believed that  the shutters been jemmied, forced, smashed or broken. Some of them thought the doors were locked. some of them thought the police were doing nothing. The myth of the police doing nothing is still being spread all these years later.

Trish Cameron;

The door was open and the window in the bedroom and shutters were jemmied open.

the front door was lying open; the window had been tampered with; the shutters had been jammied open... or whatever you call it, and Madeleine was missing.

Jon Corner;

 "She just blurted out that Madeleine had been abducted. She told me, 'They have broken the shutter on the window and taken my little girl.'

"They had left the apartment locked while they were having their meal, but when they went back the last time they saw the damage."

"She's also very upset that the police don't seem to be doing more to find Madeleine. She thinks there's too little happening."

Jill Renwick;

"The shutters had been broken open and they've gone into the room and taken her."

"I spoke to them this morning and they said the police had done nothing overnight and they felt as if they'd been left on their own. They just don't know where to turn."

Philomena McCann;

 "Some people may ask why they left the children alone in the apartment but it was locked and they had a full view of the front door and they were checking every half hour."

Brian Healy;

"Gerry told me when they went back the shutters to the room were broken, they were jemmied up and she was gone," said Mr Healy. "She'd been taken from the chalet. The door was open."

so you believe that Gerry referred to the apartment as a chalet when speaking to Brian Healey.....by your logic he must have done...there is no way Brian would have used a different word...is there
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Offline Eleanor

Re: Kate and Gerry and the jemmied shutter claim.
« Reply #397 on: August 01, 2015, 06:19:11 PM »
So were the shutters and window open, or were they not?  Could I have some opinions here?

Was Kate lying about this?

And please don't worry.  No one is going to sue anyone on this little part of The Internet.

Amaral is an arsehole.  Will that do you.

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Re: Kate and Gerry and the jemmied shutter claim.
« Reply #398 on: August 01, 2015, 06:29:37 PM »
So were the shutters and window open, or were they not?  Could I have some opinions here?

Was Kate lying about this?

And please don't worry.  No one is going to sue anyone on this little part of The Internet.

Amaral is an arsehole.  Will that do you.
Eleanor, it is against forum rules to call the McCanns liars, we've been told this often enough.  It doesn't stop some people inferring it or stating it explicitly however.  I don't care what people say one way or the other just as long as we all get treated the same vis-à-vis warnings and punishments.   Personally I don't think Kate was lying fwiw. 

Offline Eleanor

Re: Kate and Gerry and the jemmied shutter claim.
« Reply #399 on: August 01, 2015, 06:53:39 PM »

There are always ways to suggest without actually saying.  As everyone knows.  This is the real thing about Trolling.
Beware of what you say.  And then you won't come to grief.

But IMO simply won't do.

Offline G-Unit

Re: Kate and Gerry and the jemmied shutter claim.
« Reply #400 on: August 01, 2015, 07:01:28 PM »
yes ....g has inferred that Gerry was implying something...an inference she has no right to make

I never mentioned his name. I was talking about the use of the word 'force', which, according to his friends and family, Gerry didn't use. The words he was reported as using were 'broken' and  'jemmied'.
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Re: Kate and Gerry and the jemmied shutter claim.
« Reply #401 on: August 01, 2015, 07:05:39 PM »
I never mentioned his name. I was talking about the use of the word 'force', which, according to his friends and family, Gerry didn't use. The words he was reported as using were 'broken' and  'jemmied'.
So what?

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Kate and Gerry and the jemmied shutter claim.
« Reply #402 on: August 01, 2015, 07:08:27 PM »
I never mentioned his name. I was talking about the use of the word 'force', which, according to his friends and family, Gerry didn't use. The words he was reported as using were 'broken' and  'jemmied'.

Gerry was never reported by his family as using those words...his family described what he said...and as you and stephen have shown it is normal practice to use different word....there were no quotes

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Kate and Gerry and the jemmied shutter claim.
« Reply #403 on: August 01, 2015, 07:11:32 PM »
I never mentioned his name. I was talking about the use of the word 'force', which, according to his friends and family, Gerry didn't use. The words he was reported as using were 'broken' and  'jemmied'.

your posts are just so inaccurate..the family never stated Gerry didn't use those words...you are making things up

Offline Eleanor

Re: Kate and Gerry and the jemmied shutter claim.
« Reply #404 on: August 01, 2015, 07:12:18 PM »
So let's have a ten page diatribe about "Force."  I have to use Force to get my mower back in the rear of my van.  It's bloody heavy.  But I don't actually damage anything.