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Offline Admin

Kate and Gerry and the jemmied shutter claim.
« on: August 29, 2013, 02:35:28 AM »
There has been much debate about the forced/jemmied shutter which turned out to be false, yet another red herring.  It is clear from Press reports that family members and close friends were using this terminology from the outset but who told them?

Was it an invention?  Was it too much of a coincidence that those in-the-know family and friends the Press spoke to were telling the same story?

« Last Edit: October 22, 2013, 10:14:15 AM by Admin »

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Kate and Gerry and the jemmied shutter claim.
« Reply #1 on: October 20, 2013, 08:55:00 PM »
kate and Gerry never said the windows had been jemmied
« Last Edit: October 21, 2013, 02:16:57 AM by John »

Redblossom

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Re: Kate and Gerry and the jemmied shutter claim.
« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2013, 09:01:39 PM »
kate and Gerry never said the windows had been jemmied

You cant prove that is untrue therefore its not a myth..keep up..in fact in its one witness statement that kate said the shutters were forced....which is the same as jemmied, next davel

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Kate and Gerry and the jemmied shutter claim.
« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2013, 09:07:01 PM »
You cant prove that is untrue therefore its not a myth..keep up..in fact in its one witness statement that kate said the shutters were forced....which is the same as jemmied, next davel

forced is not the same as jemmied   ...you have things back to front...posters are not free to accuse the McCanns without proof..i don't have to supply proof

Offline Sherlock Holmes

Re: Kate and Gerry and the jemmied shutter claim.
« Reply #4 on: October 21, 2013, 02:49:45 AM »
I must admit I had never heard the word 'jemmy' before reading about this case, and assumed that it had been coined by Gerry McCann. (That well-known wordsmith).

Having looked the term up in various dictionaries, it seems that they all define 'jemmy' as being two possible things: (noun) a steel crowbar used to force open doors or windows; or (verb) to prise something open with a jemmy.

When we use the word jemmy here, are we saying that the window was - or was not - prised with a crowbar?

Offline Apostate

Re: Kate and Gerry and the jemmied shutter claim.
« Reply #5 on: October 21, 2013, 07:29:18 AM »
Family reported this to the press. Have the McCanns denied telling their family this?

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Kate and Gerry and the jemmied shutter claim.
« Reply #6 on: October 21, 2013, 07:37:28 AM »
Family reported this to the press. Have the McCanns denied telling their family this?

 Again..if you want to assert that Gerry or Kate used the word gemmy you have to present evidenjce. it is not up to them to deny every myth

Offline Apostate

Re: Kate and Gerry and the jemmied shutter claim.
« Reply #7 on: October 21, 2013, 07:56:08 AM »
Again..if you want to assert that Gerry or Kate used the word gemmy you have to present evidenjce. it is not up to them to deny every myth

Either it's true or the family were lying.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Kate and Gerry and the jemmied shutter claim.
« Reply #8 on: October 21, 2013, 07:57:46 AM »
Either it's true or the family were lying.

No...we have been through this many times...Chinese whisper

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Kate and Gerry and the jemmied shutter claim.
« Reply #9 on: October 21, 2013, 08:01:42 AM »
Meaning

Inaccurately transmitted gossip. 'Chinese whispers' refers to a sequence of repetitions of a story, each one differing slightly from the original, so that the final telling bears only a scant resemblance to the original.

Offline south of the river

Re: Kate and Gerry and the jemmied shutter claim.
« Reply #10 on: October 21, 2013, 08:29:58 AM »
Gerry's initial reaction that the window had been used as an access point as it was open - entirely natural reaction . On his phone calls home that night this  news must have been passed over to relatives -  I think I saw one quote  from an uncle or aunt - not sure -  who mentioned this word

suddenly this got morphed into some sort of conspiracy theory .


Offline Montclair

Re: Kate and Gerry and the jemmied shutter claim.
« Reply #11 on: October 21, 2013, 08:44:07 AM »
They're smart, they didn't say it directly but they instead got Philomena and Trish Cameron to tell the press about the jemmied shutters and door hanging on the hinges. IIRC, there is a video of Philomena talking about jemmied shutters.
« Last Edit: October 21, 2013, 09:10:09 AM by Montclair »

C.Edwards

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Re: Kate and Gerry and the jemmied shutter claim.
« Reply #12 on: October 21, 2013, 09:28:57 AM »
Whereas I do find Davel as annoying as a persistent wasp at a picnic, I do grudgingly admire his resolve in soldiering on in the face of adversity.  If he would stop the hectoring tone of posts and try being less provocatively contrary in the hope of provoking distracting arguments then he'd be quite bearable.  As it is, I think he's damn lucky to still be posting on this board as I'd have long lost patience with him. Credit to admin & the mods for persistently giving him a chance even thought he does appear to keep throwing it back in their faces.

As to this ridiculous attempt to wipe from the record that which has already been long accepted (namely that it's obvious due to the wording used and the timing of the press reports that the McCann family were independently told the same "jemmied/forced" story and simply regurgitated it - Trish Cameron even stumbling: "jammied... or whatever you call it" over the strange word she wasn't comfortable using. Absolutely no Chinese whispers at all, regardless of what davel claims), well it's scarcely worth engaging with.

Davel, you need to keep up to date, mate. This argument, even on the staunchest pro forums, has long moved on to "what they actually meant" as opposed to what they said, which is beyond doubt.  You're flogging a long-dead and buried horse here and there is no debate or argument to be had.

Offline Montclair

Re: Kate and Gerry and the jemmied shutter claim.
« Reply #13 on: October 21, 2013, 09:30:13 AM »
Trish Cameron, 04/04/07: "They last checked at half past nine; they were all sound asleep, sleeping; windows shut shut; shutters shut. Kate went back at ten o'clock to check; the front door was lying open; the windo had been tampered with; the shutters had been jammeid open...or whatever you call it; and Madeleine was missing."

John Corner: "Kate said the shutters of the room were smashed..."

Jill Renwick: "Poor Kate and Gerry don't know where to turn. She's obviously been taken as she couldn't have gone out on her own and the shutters had been forced open."

Philomena McCann: "It is obvious that someone with malicious intent went through the window."

Brian Healey 05/05/07: "Gerry told me when they went back the shutters to the room were broken, they were jemmied up and she was gone. She'd been taken from the chalet. The door was open."

stephen25000

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Re: Kate and Gerry and the jemmied shutter claim.
« Reply #14 on: October 21, 2013, 09:35:34 AM »
Trish Cameron, 04/04/07: "They last checked at half past nine; they were all sound asleep, sleeping; windows shut shut; shutters shut. Kate went back at ten o'clock to check; the front door was lying open; the windo had been tampered with; the shutters had been jammeid open...or whatever you call it; and Madeleine was missing."

John Corner: "Kate said the shutters of the room were smashed..."

Jill Renwick: "Poor Kate and Gerry don't know where to turn. She's obviously been taken as she couldn't have gone out on her own and the shutters had been forced open."

Philomena McCann: "It is obvious that someone with malicious intent went through the window."

Brian Healey 05/05/07: "Gerry told me when they went back the shutters to the room were broken, they were jemmied up and she was gone. She'd been taken from the chalet. The door was open."


Now why is it some people will not accept what the mccanns or their associates  have said about the shutters ?