"If the case is re-opened where does Amaral stand"

[gilet]

To answer the question in the title of this thread.

He stands firmly in the dock, where he has been standing for the duration of this trial, accused with others of libel.

[drummer]

 

How many times has he had to swear on the bible now?

[Benita]

To answer the question in the title of this thread.

He stands firmly in the dock, where he has been standing for the duration of this trial, accused with others of libel.

true...
nice to see you gilet 

[gilet]

You are close to events Montclair, do you think Dr Amaral will be elated at this development?

Amaral might have wanted the case re-opened but he sure as hell will not be elated at the prospect of it being re-opened with abduction as the thesis. He has spent years defending a completely different thesis.

His problem, of course, is that he has no actual evidence with which to support his thesis other than his misinterpretation of the cadaver alerts and his idea that there are discrepancies in the stories (neither of which actually amount to real evidence). Whereas the case can only be re-opened if there is substantial (ie of substance) evidence pointing to a new line of inquiry. It would appear that new evidence points firmly at abduction.

[pathfinder73]

From the piece I have translated on the other thread it appears that many of the witnesses are going to be cross-examined whatever that means in this particular context?

That is interesting. What's ITV saying about three lines of inquiry?

[gilet]

There's not much, Cariad, I've translated the essential. Nobody knows nothing yet, the MP refused to answer and the PJ possibly has deposited a request. They'd have a lead, according to Dâmaso, concerning abduction, but has nothing to do with Smithman apparently nor Bundleman. It's better not to say more. Ah, the Publico article suggests that the Porto team is convinced Madeleine was abducted.
I'm not.

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Clearly the Portuguese professionals do believe that abduction is very possible and believe that they have sufficient evidence of that to petition for a re-opening of the case.

It is a shame that this evidence wasn't found by the initial PJ team led by Amaral because it looks more and more likely that they were on a wild goose chase rather than doing a proper investigation of a missing child case.

[icabodcrane]

Elated my bottom, it's the last thing he wanted.

I suppose it's all a matter of perspective

My overview is that having the Portuguese investigation re-opened is the last thing the McCanns wanted

I base that opinion on the fact that  they never   ASKED  for it to be re-opened  ...  they never used their influential friends and contacts to lobby for it to be re-opened ...  they never used their hired PR people to that end ...  they never had Clarence Mitchell    once  say how  'ludicrous'  it was that the Portuguese police would not re-open the case   

They could have been screaming from the roof tops  for the Portuguese police to re-open the case,  and had enormous backing for their plea

...  except they never made the plea,  did they  ?

[Wonderfulspam]

I suppose it's all a matter of perspective

My overview is that having the Portuguese investigation re-opened is the last thing the McCanns wanted

I base that opinion on the fact that  they never   ASKED  for it to be re-opened  ...  they never used their influential friends and contacts to lobby for it to be re-opened ...  they never used their hired PR people to that end ...  they never had Clarence Mitchell    once  say how  'ludicrous'  it was that the Portuguese police would not re-open the case   

They could have been screaming from the roof tops  for the Portuguese police to re-open the case,  and had enormous backing for their plea

...  except they never made the plea,  did they  ?

And one can only wonder why?

[AnneGuedes]

they have sufficient evidence of that to petition for a re-opening of the case.

There's no petition, just a request.

[sadie]

I suppose it's all a matter of perspective

My overview is that having the Portuguese investigation re-opened is the last thing the McCanns wanted

I base that opinion on the fact that  they never   ASKED  for it to be re-opened  ...  they never used their influential friends and contacts to lobby for it to be re-opened ...  they never used their hired PR people to that end ...  they never had Clarence Mitchell    once  say how  'ludicrous'  it was that the Portuguese police would not re-open the case   

They could have been screaming from the roof tops  for the Portuguese police to re-open the case,  and had enormous backing for their plea

...  except they never made the plea,  did they  ?

The Mccanns, very wisely,  have taken great care NOT to fall out with anyone who might be able to help them find Madeleine

They must have felt like scratching Amarals eyes out at several times when he was co-ordinator, but they kept quiet.  Knowing that to get full co-operation they could not afford to fall out with anyone on the case.

[gilet]

There's no petition, just a request.

Don't be so foolishly pedantic especially when you are out of your depth. "Petitioning for something" is, in English (a language you clearly are not truly familiar with), another way of saying "requesting something" in a formal manner to a superior authority.

[gilet]

I suppose it's all a matter of perspective

My overview is that having the Portuguese investigation re-opened is the last thing the McCanns wanted

I base that opinion on the fact that  they never   ASKED  for it to be re-opened  ...  they never used their influential friends and contacts to lobby for it to be re-opened ...  they never used their hired PR people to that end ...  they never had Clarence Mitchell    once  say how  'ludicrous'  it was that the Portuguese police would not re-open the case   

They could have been screaming from the roof tops  for the Portuguese police to re-open the case,  and had enormous backing for their plea

...  except they never made the plea,  did they  ?

It took me just two minutes to find this article from last year where the McCanns are clearly, with the support of Clarence Mitchell, expressing the strong desire that the case be re-opened in Portugal.

Sadie is spot on when she states that the McCanns (probably advised by that PR company you mention and their legal team) were not going to upset the apple cart by wild and pointless demands. They knew as all those who have studied the case knew that no amount of pleading or petitioning would get the case re-opened. That needed actual new evidence.

The whole premise of your argument has faltered at the first hurdle in that what you claimed is simply not true.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2135551/Madeleine-McCann-latest-news-Portuguese-police-refuse-open-case.html

And just to add two-pennyworth to the reconstruction debate, a reconstruction could only have taken place after the archival if the case had been re-opened. A reconstruction is not in itself evidence. There was no way that offering to do the reconstruction would automatically have led to the case being re-opened in order that a reconstruction might take place which then might lead to new evidence.

[AnneGuedes]

I suppose it's all a matter of perspective

My overview is that having the Portuguese investigation re-opened is the last thing the McCanns wanted

I base that opinion on the fact that  they never   ASKED  for it to be re-opened  ...  they never used their influential friends and contacts to lobby for it to be re-opened ...  they never used their hired PR people to that end ...  they never had Clarence Mitchell    once  say how  'ludicrous'  it was that the Portuguese police would not re-open the case   

They could have been screaming from the roof tops  for the Portuguese police to re-open the case,  and had enormous backing for their plea

...  except they never made the plea,  did they  ?

Interesting overview.
The review they obtained, the abduction one, was a good compromise because SY was in charge. Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus. The autopsy of the Portuguese investigation could never be conclusive but abduction was the magic word for two and a half years, now, and hopefully will be engraved in marble.

[gilet]

Interesting overview.
The review they obtained, the abduction one, was a good compromise because SY was in charge. Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus. The autopsy of the Portuguese investigation could never be conclusive but abduction was the magic word for two and a half years, now, and hopefully will be engraved in marble.

Well it would be interesting if it contained any truth. Unfortunately it doesn't.

The McCanns have frequently asked that the case be re-opened in Portugal and have regularly lamented the fact that the Portuguese were unwilling to do this. Just one example found after a couple of minute's searching here.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2135551/Madeleine-McCann-latest-news-Portuguese-police-refuse-open-case.html

Your jibe that the review obtained was an "abduction one" is without foundation. Just because you are unaware of the full nature of the full inquiry done by Operation Grange you make the presumption that no review of the potential McCann involvement was done. As I reflected earlier, amateur presumption about cases rarely takes in the whole picture.

Are you now suggesting that the Portuguese Policia Judiciara have been duped by Operation Grange Officers? Are you suggesting that the petitioning of their superiors for the cass to be re-opened to look into this new evidence regarding abduction is a sham? Why are you so dismissive of these people?

The fact is that there are indications of a potential abduction, evidence in fact, and whether you choose to ignore that or not is utterly irrelevant because like us all you are simply an online commentator and not an expert.

Not only have the SY experts come down in favour of an abduction but so clearly have the PJ who have been working on the case. Your pretence that is not the case is helping no-one, least of all Amaral.

[AnneGuedes]

Don't be so foolishly pedantic especially when you are out of your depth. "Petitioning for something" is, in English (a language you clearly are not truly familiar with), another way of saying "requesting something" in a formal manner to a superior authority.

What an amazingly rude individual !
There's no formal request here, no petition, whether you like it or not. Inform yourself about the relations of the MP and the PJ.