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Offline Luz

Re: Goncalo Amaral's thesis trashed by SY and PJ
« Reply #45 on: October 26, 2013, 12:52:24 AM »
The reopening of the process had to use new facts. There were facts obtained recently that could point to the abduction thesis.

Nevertheless, once reopened, the investigation cannot leave any data previously recovered. If those abduction leads fail, the neglectful homicide resurrects.

So what is in the scope again, are all the hypothesis previously accepted.


Offline Luz

Re: Goncalo Amaral's thesis trashed by SY and PJ
« Reply #47 on: October 26, 2013, 12:57:39 AM »
That little rant does not explain anything though.

It most certainly does not explain away the absolute fact that SY and now the PJ have thoroughly trashed his thesis does it?

His thesis is the McCanns are the guilty party (at least for covering up a death) but SY and now the PJ have thrown that idea out.

And yet you say he claims to be happy. Really happy deep down I wonder?

SY doesn't trash anything because they are not investigating. They merely read the documents and formulate pro McCann hypothesis.

The PJ continues investigating and never stated any thesis. The Oporto team made a review that allowed for a reopening and now the investigation was given to the Portimão team. So far neither said anything about what they know what abot what they are doing.

Offline Luz

Re: Goncalo Amaral's thesis trashed by SY and PJ
« Reply #48 on: October 26, 2013, 12:59:44 AM »
8((()*/ 8@??)( ?{)(**
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-kate-gerry-mccann-2592011

Seems it's tick tock time  8((()*/

I thought you were clapping because Madeleine had been found.

Silly me, you only care about those negligent parents, isn't it?

But save your claps...

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Re: Goncalo Amaral's thesis trashed by SY and PJ
« Reply #49 on: October 26, 2013, 01:01:39 AM »
That little rant does not explain anything though.

It most certainly does not explain away the absolute fact that SY and now the PJ have thoroughly trashed his thesis does it?

His thesis is the McCanns are the guilty party (at least for covering up a death) but SY and now the PJ have thrown that idea out.

And yet you say he claims to be happy. Really happy deep down I wonder?

One good thing, I'm sure Amaral will be nowhere near this investigation.
I'd like to know why his work was supposeldy being investigated by the national directorate of the police judiciaire?
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Re: Goncalo Amaral's thesis trashed by SY and PJ
« Reply #50 on: October 26, 2013, 01:01:54 AM »
That little rant does not explain anything though.

It most certainly does not explain away the absolute fact that SY and now the PJ have thoroughly trashed his thesis does it?

His thesis is the McCanns are the guilty party (at least for covering up a death) but SY and now the PJ have thrown that idea out.

And yet you say he claims to be happy. Really happy deep down I wonder?

Enjoy the hype while you can.

Offline Luz

Re: Goncalo Amaral's thesis trashed by SY and PJ
« Reply #51 on: October 26, 2013, 01:02:21 AM »
Enjoy your Mirror party - Murdochs parties are famous for their fantasies.

I have to rest. Have a good evening.

Offline sadie

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« Reply #52 on: October 26, 2013, 01:02:50 AM »
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-kate-gerry-mccann-2592011

Note:  My emboldening


Madeleine McCann: Kate and Gerry McCann told they are no longer suspects by Portuguese police 26 Oct 2013 00:00

The couple were told in a police briefing last week in Lisbon where they were also updated on new leads

 Parents: Kate and Gerry McCann
 
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Kate and Gerry McCann have been told for the first time by the Portuguese authorities that they are no longer suspects in their daughter Madeleine’s disappearance.

The couple were told in a police briefing last week in Lisbon where they were also updated on the new leads that have been unearthed.

Their Portuguese lawyer Rogerio Alves said yesterday: “The McCanns were already informed about the reopening of the inquiry and the reasons why it was being reopened.

“They also know that this new line of inquiry excludes any responsibility of the parents.

“The Portuguese police told them this at a meeting in Lisbon last week at which British police were also present.

"What it means is that the police understand there are new avenues that should be explored.

“This brings Madeleine’s parents a legitimate expectation not only that the truth will be discovered but also that it will be possible to find Madeleine alive which is the sole aim of all the efforts they’ve been making.”


Portugal’s current Attorney General, Joana Marques Vidal, is the first woman ever appointed to the post.

She took over as the country’s top legal advisor in October 2012 from predecessor Fernando Pinto Monteiro after his six-year mandate came to an end.

It was still unclear last night which police force would be appointed to lead the reopened inquiry. Initial reports suggested it would be a team of Algarve-based Policia Judiciaria detectives but yesterday it appeared more likely the review team from Porto would be asked to do the job.

The detectives will work under the direction of public prosecutors based in the Algarve resort of Portimao.

Jose Magalhaes e Menezes, the public prosecutor in charge of the original investigation, is expected to oversee the reopened inquiry.

He was damning of the original probe pointing the finger at Madeleine’s parents and claimed officers under disgraced Goncalo Amaral achieved “very little” during their 15 month investigation.

He also thwarted attempts by Mr Amaral to charge the McCanns with child abandonment, leading to a souring in relations between police and prosecutors.

Mr Amaral went on to write a controversial book called ‘The Truth of the Lie’ which the McCanns are currently suing him over at an ongoing civil trial in a Lisbon court.


 
 

It also emerged last night Madeleine’s parents are set to apply to become private prosecutors - “assistentes” under Portuguese law - in the reopened criminal inquiry.

It will mean their legal team can work alongside state prosecutors so they are kept informed of all new developments and conduct their own private prosecution - running parallel to the state prosecution - against any future suspects charged over Madeleine’s disappearance.

It marks a remarkable turn-around in a case in which they were once 'arguidos' - suspects.

Their status as ‘assistentes’ would be crucial because of the secrecy order slapped on the case by Portugal’s Attorney General.

They wouldn’t have access to all case files at present because of the secrecy order as ‘assistentes’ - but would once the secrecy order is lifted.

Mr Alves said yesterday: “I will be applying for the McCanns to become assistentes in this case but don’t know yet when.

“Madeleine is the victim as well as her parents who are also her legal representatives."



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icabodcrane

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Re: Goncalo Amaral's thesis trashed by SY and PJ
« Reply #53 on: October 26, 2013, 01:02:57 AM »
Please!

Do you not actually understand that cadaver odour is not a body, that cadaver odour can be present in a room when no body has been present there?

I am staggered by the low levels of comprehension of the subject demonstrated in your post.

One of the most well-known child disappearance cases in the UK had the perfect scenario of dog alerting to cadaver odour. But no body was present and no body had been present. It was a bed that was contaminated with cadaver odour which had been brought into the room.

There is no proof anybody died in the apartment.

QED

You know,  you really have no business  dimissing the  genuinely held opinion of another member with an arrogant  'QED'  ...  when you yourself have been proven to have stated something untruthful on the forum    (  and lacked the integrity to hold up your hand and say,  "OK I made a mistake there"  ) 

I'm refering to the witness you claimed,  said, with  certainty,  that Gerry McCann was in the tapas bar at 10.00pm 

If Anne makes an error she is always ready to acknowledge it  ...  you,  on the other hand,  are not

lizzibif.

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Re: Goncalo Amaral's thesis trashed by SY and PJ
« Reply #54 on: October 26, 2013, 01:05:58 AM »
8((()*/ 8@??)( ?{)(**
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-kate-gerry-mccann-2592011

Seems it's tick tock time  8((()*/


 @)(++(* theres going to be a lot of doubters eating humble pie  8((()*/

Lyall

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Re: Goncalo Amaral's thesis trashed by SY and PJ
« Reply #55 on: October 26, 2013, 01:08:42 AM »

 @)(++(* theres going to be a lot of doubters eating humble pie  8((()*/

8)--)) I wouldn't hold your breath.

Offline gilet

Re: Goncalo Amaral's thesis trashed by SY and PJ
« Reply #56 on: October 26, 2013, 01:10:19 AM »

Murat could be an assistant. It would have been immediate had he applied for the investigation to keep on during the first 20 days after the PGR published their decision in 2008.But even now he can apply, as an interested citizen.

Everyone can apply as long as he/she has enough money to pay a diligent lawyer to make a valid argument that there is interest in being available to the Public MInistry.

An assistant has no powers. In fact its powers become limited because they will not be able to discuss anything they learn about the investigation (and that will be very limited) and will have to make themselves available to every request by the Public Ministry.

Why are you making these claims about assistentes having no powers?

Are you so lacking in knowledge about PT penal procedures?


Offline gilet

Re: Goncalo Amaral's thesis trashed by SY and PJ
« Reply #57 on: October 26, 2013, 01:11:54 AM »
The reopening of the process had to use new facts. There were facts obtained recently that could point to the abduction thesis.

Nevertheless, once reopened, the investigation cannot leave any data previously recovered. If those abduction leads fail, the neglectful homicide resurrects.

So what is in the scope again, are all the hypothesis previously accepted.

You seem to forget that the PJ have been working for two whole years reviewing all the previous evidence.

It is only after that review that they have CONCLUDED that the McCanns are not suspects.

Trying to pretend now that they still are is no more than clinging to a delusion.

icabodcrane

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Re: Goncalo Amaral's thesis trashed by SY and PJ
« Reply #58 on: October 26, 2013, 01:13:23 AM »
The McCanns criminal lawyer   (  why do they  need a criminal lawyer anyway  ?  )  is being very vocal on their behalf isn't he  ?

What part of  'the investigation is at a critical stage and secrecy is imperative'  do they not understand

It makes a bit of a mockery of that statement the McCanns released,  doesn't it  ?  ...  'Kate and Gerry won't be making any further comment'

...  but their lawyer will be singing like a canary  !

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« Reply #59 on: October 26, 2013, 01:14:17 AM »
Why are you making these claims about assistentes having no powers?

Are you so lacking in knowledge about PT penal procedures?

Mr Alves, who was hired by the McCanns after they were declared suspects by the original police team, now wants them made “assistentes”, private prosecutors, in the case.

It will mean their lawyers can work with state prosecutors, and even press their own charges against suspects.

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