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Offline gilet

Re: Goncalo Amaral's thesis trashed by SY and PJ
« Reply #120 on: October 26, 2013, 02:32:00 AM »
Again the wrong tree ! Don't you know another expression ?

I don't need another expression. That one is both accurate and perfectly acceptable in polite company.

Offline gilet

Re: Goncalo Amaral's thesis trashed by SY and PJ
« Reply #121 on: October 26, 2013, 02:33:10 AM »
No, that's a recipe for a police state gilet, exactly what you'd have if the public trusted in police without them showing how they reached their conclusions.

Until/if police eventually do we can believe what we wish.

And if they don't we are still in the July 2008 situation.

But they do show at the appropriate time, ie when charges are brought and not before that just because some people believe that they have some entitlement to treat criminal cases as a kind of peep show.

Offline gilet

Re: Goncalo Amaral's thesis trashed by SY and PJ
« Reply #122 on: October 26, 2013, 02:34:05 AM »
Keep private the reality of your private conversations please instead of blocking this thread with claims about the PJ.

That is why I don't intend to post any private content. But you can easily make a phone call or two yourself and find the truth.

Offline gilet

Re: Goncalo Amaral's thesis trashed by SY and PJ
« Reply #123 on: October 26, 2013, 02:35:24 AM »
The Faro team exists, though, they're not SY's subordinates.
Pedro do Carmo, ah ! A friend of yours !

I never made any claim that they were subordinates. You make far too many presumptions.
And that latter one is the perfect example. I never claimed him to be a friend. Again you make too many guesses/presumptions.

Offline gilet

Re: Goncalo Amaral's thesis trashed by SY and PJ
« Reply #124 on: October 26, 2013, 02:37:52 AM »
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Proxy as ever

The lawyer spoke only of aspects of the case which he was allowed to speak about. He made it clear which aspects were covered by secrecy rules and did not comment on those.

And yes, even the most junior reader should probably understand that a lawyer often acts as a proxy. That is their role.

Offline gilet

Re: Goncalo Amaral's thesis trashed by SY and PJ
« Reply #125 on: October 26, 2013, 02:39:12 AM »
I meant a cadaver and used an euphemism inspired by Harmony.
Using euphemistic terminology such as item or cadaver even about a missing little child is not a sign of someone who respects that child, no matter who inspired the term.

Offline Benice

Re: Goncalo Amaral's thesis trashed by SY and PJ
« Reply #126 on: October 26, 2013, 02:52:01 AM »
I never said there was furniture from a dead person in Apt 5A. You have misread my post. I used that other example to indicate the fact that NO body need have been in Apt 5A for cadaver scent to be present.

That remains the case.

Not only is there no indication as to who the cadaver odour originally came from but there is no indication that it ever came from a body that was present in the apartment. It could have been taken there on any manner of objects; clothes, luggage etc.

This is true, and also if the dogs had been made the spend the same amount of time in the other apartments and the other cars - then if their abilities were as good as their handler claimed  (which we have no reason to disbelieve ) - then it is highly likely they would have alerted in some of those other places too.

As a reminder:

A cadaver dog cannot say who the scent belonged to.
It cannot say how long the scent had been there - whether recent or from decades ago.
It cannot say whether the scent had been transferred there from an outside source.
It canot say whether the scent is from above ground or underground.
It cannot say whether the scent is from a cadaver, or from fingernails, teeth, hair or other bodily fluids from living human beings.
It cannot say whether the scent was originally at that spot, or whether it had drifted there from elsewhere.
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It is for the above reasons that people who claim 'someone must have died in 5A' are completely wrong and why Martin Grime repeatedly points out that without corroborating evidence - the alerts cannot be regarded as evidence of the presence of a cadaver.





The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline gilet

Re: Goncalo Amaral's thesis trashed by SY and PJ
« Reply #127 on: October 26, 2013, 03:04:33 AM »
This article from Renascenca suggests to me that Amaral is quite desperate to maintain his thesis, hoping that the new inquiry will re-open at the point it was at in 2008. Unfortunately for him, things have moved on and a thorough review has been conducted since then and the PJ have apparently confirmed the findings of the original archival report that there was no evidence of any crime committed by the McCanns and the inquiry opens from that point looking at the leads relating to stranger abduction.


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Inspector from the Maddie case hopes it will follow all lines of inquiry
26/10/2013 12:25

Gonçalo Amaral said. Process of the disappearance of Madeleine McCann in Portugal was reopened.

Former Inspector of Judicial Police, Gonçalo Amaral, responsible for investigating the Madeleine McCann case, welcomes the reopening of the case in Portugal.

Gonçalo Amaral hopes that "the investigation is still at the point where it was interrupted, either from the beliefs of those who examined the facts later."

However, Gonçalo Amaral leaves a message and says that "a criminal investigation can not have its eyes on the politically correct, nor have its limited scope for personal interests, nor be subject to intolerable pressures and coercive acts".

Former inspector says that only if made every effort at fault, and open all lines of research, one can say that the investigation was free and objective.

The prosecutor announced this Thursday to reopen the investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, after the Judicial Police have filed new elements. The English child disappeared in the Algarve in May 2007.

A note from the Attorney General's Office (PGR) said that prosecutors determined the reopening of the investigation into the disappearance of British girl according to the criminal procedure law, which says that "the inquiry can only be reopened if new evidence that invalidate the grounds raised by the MP in order of filing "of the case.

According found the Renaissance, the McCanns is not named as suspect in the new guideline.

http://rr.sapo.pt/informacao_detalhe.aspx?fid=25&did=127133

AnneGuedes

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Re: Goncalo Amaral's thesis trashed by SY and PJ
« Reply #128 on: October 26, 2013, 03:25:49 AM »
Using euphemistic terminology such as item or cadaver even about a missing little child is not a sign of someone who respects that child, no matter who inspired the term.
Sorry, but I never called "item" nor "cadaver" a missing child.

AnneGuedes

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Re: Goncalo Amaral's thesis trashed by SY and PJ
« Reply #129 on: October 26, 2013, 03:29:30 AM »
This article from Renascenca suggests to me that Amaral is quite desperate to maintain his thesis, hoping that the new inquiry will re-open at the point it was at in 2008. Unfortunately for him, things have moved on and a thorough review has been conducted since then and the PJ have apparently confirmed the findings of the original archival report that there was no evidence of any crime committed by the McCanns and the inquiry opens from that point looking at the leads relating to stranger abduction.
What you say might be true but is certainly not in that article.

AnneGuedes

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Re: Goncalo Amaral's thesis trashed by SY and PJ
« Reply #130 on: October 26, 2013, 03:35:32 AM »
That is why I don't intend to post any private content. But you can easily make a phone call or two yourself and find the truth.
The MP insisted on the necessity of total secret of justice and you pretend you got informations on the phone ? You're kidding certainly !

AnneGuedes

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Re: Goncalo Amaral's thesis trashed by SY and PJ
« Reply #131 on: October 26, 2013, 03:42:43 AM »
I never said there was furniture from a dead person in Apt 5A. You have misread my post. I used that other example to indicate the fact that NO body need have been in Apt 5A for cadaver scent to be present.

That remains the case.

Not only is there no indication as to who the cadaver odour originally came from but there is no indication that it ever came from a body that was present in the apartment. It could have been taken there on any manner of objects; clothes, luggage etc.
No, you still have to study a bit more about these amazing dogs !
But first read the report.
What are you afraid of if you are sure that Madeleine's parents said the truth and nothing but the truth ? Since they themselves claim they were not there when Madeleine disappeared, how can they know for sure whether Madeleine vanished dead or alive ?

Offline colombosstogey

Re: Goncalo Amaral's thesis trashed by SY and PJ
« Reply #132 on: October 26, 2013, 06:48:03 AM »
I do think the dogs found something ,i believe they was meant to find confusion to get the case closed .but that my personal thought .
Nope dogs dont speak ! They have found something which now gave them a lead lets hope the pj and sy are excited with there findings .its a job to them and an outcome would be good for them both .

Perhaps the intruder/abductor was hiding in the McCanns wardrobe and was carrying the death scent on their persons.....IF this was a planned abduction of a minor child, who would know what kind of perb would do this.

The death scent can be transferred.

When the perb picked the child off the bed, perhaps at first they touched the cuddle cat which again transferred the death scent etc.

IF the death scent was then transferred to the wardrobe, McCanns clothing were in there and perhaps they inadvertently transferred the same scent to articles of clothing.

These dogs are highly trained I believe the dogs. However, doesnt mean I believe the McCanns harmed their child etc, just that the dogs were telling their human they had found what they were trained for, not where it came from. ?>)()<

Offline Chinagirl

Re: Goncalo Amaral's thesis trashed by SY and PJ
« Reply #133 on: October 26, 2013, 07:21:35 AM »
What is a "perb?"
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Offline gilet

Re: Goncalo Amaral's thesis trashed by SY and PJ
« Reply #134 on: October 26, 2013, 08:20:45 AM »
No, you still have to study a bit more about these amazing dogs !
But first read the report.
What are you afraid of if you are sure that Madeleine's parents said the truth and nothing but the truth ? Since they themselves claim they were not there when Madeleine disappeared, how can they know for sure whether Madeleine vanished dead or alive ?

No to what precisely? If you believe there is something wrong in what I posted please specify what that is.

But I fear you will have trouble because there is nothing wrong in what I wrote.