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Offline Eleanor

Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
« Reply #615 on: November 27, 2013, 03:27:39 PM »
It means he doesn't want to use the word legal.

So it can mean whatever anyone wants it to mean, within uncertain boundaries.

It actually has no definitive meaning.

Lyall

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Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
« Reply #616 on: November 27, 2013, 03:29:14 PM »
it means there is no precise agreement

You do realise the Portuguese will be wondering why this is only being proposed six and half years later don't you? Any thoughts on that?

Lyall

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Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
« Reply #617 on: November 27, 2013, 03:34:36 PM »
So it can mean whatever anyone wants it to mean, within uncertain boundaries.

It actually has no definitive meaning.

I've seen another news article now, and there are more words from the Commissioner. But he still doesn't use the word 'rogatory' or the words 'EU law'.

So you can be forgiven for thinking British police don't like the slowness of the bureaucratic (i.e. legal) process. But neither I expect did the Portuguese police in 2007/8, but nobody in the UK media cared about that then did they.

There are good reasons why people are cynical, Eleanor.

Offline Carana

Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
« Reply #618 on: November 27, 2013, 03:44:48 PM »
Sonia Poulton has Stephen Birch on last evening, and Michael Shrimpton is on right now >@@(*&)

Seriously? That should be... erm, illuminating.

Offline Eleanor

Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
« Reply #619 on: November 27, 2013, 03:45:04 PM »
You do realise the Portuguese will be wondering why this is only being proposed six and half years later don't you? Any thoughts on that?

Times they are a changing.  The UK tried too bloody hard not to step on anyone's toes.  This in itself was a disgrace.  Four years before they actually did anything.
Madeleine is a British Citizen, missing abroad.  She deserved so much better than a botched investigation.

Offline Eleanor

Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
« Reply #620 on: November 27, 2013, 03:50:37 PM »
I've seen another news article now, and there are more words from the Commissioner. But he still doesn't use the word 'rogatory' or the words 'EU law'.

So you can be forgiven for thinking British police don't like the slowness of the bureaucratic (i.e. legal) process. But neither I expect did the Portuguese police in 2007/8, but nobody in the UK media cared about that then did they.

There are good reasons why people are cynical, Eleanor.

Cynical about what?

You need to understand the importance of CORRECT Rogatory Applications, no matter who instigates them.
The Portuguese didn't even know that Southern Ireland is not part of The UK, so heaven knows how many other mistakes they made initially.

Lyall

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Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
« Reply #621 on: November 27, 2013, 03:56:14 PM »
Times they are a changing.  The UK tried too bloody hard not to step on anyone's toes.  This in itself was a disgrace.  Four years before they actually did anything.
Madeleine is a British Citizen, missing abroad.  She deserved so much better than a botched investigation.

So why is it we never see any of this indignation about the policy of successive UK governments? Or about the performance of the UK police since 2011?

All we ever see is the relentless criticism of one individual - Mr Amaral.

Offline Carana

Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
« Reply #622 on: November 27, 2013, 03:57:24 PM »
Cynical about what?

You need to understand the importance of CORRECT Rogatory Applications, no matter who instigates them.
The Portuguese didn't even know that Southern Ireland is not part of The UK, so heaven knows how many other mistakes they made initially.

Were any rogatory requests submitted during Team Amaral's tenure?

Lyall

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Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
« Reply #623 on: November 27, 2013, 03:59:18 PM »
Cynical about what?

You need to understand the importance of CORRECT Rogatory Applications, no matter who instigates them.
The Portuguese didn't even know that Southern Ireland is not part of The UK, so heaven knows how many other mistakes they made initially.

I do understand the importance of them. I'm sure the Met Commissioner does too. But when he speaks in public he doesn't mention them, and neither does the media. At best that's dumbing down.

Offline Eleanor

Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
« Reply #624 on: November 27, 2013, 04:04:38 PM »
So why is it we never see any of this indignation about the policy of successive UK governments? Or about the performance of the UK police since 2011?

All we ever see is the relentless criticism of one individual - Mr Amaral.

Amaral was the botched investigation.  Read his book.  The McCanns were guilty on Day One, according to him.

Successive UK Governments are by the by. Whoever they are they are still The Government.

No one knows what The UK Police have discovered.

Lyall

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Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
« Reply #625 on: November 27, 2013, 04:10:18 PM »
Amaral was the botched investigation.  Read his book.  The McCanns were guilty on Day One, according to him.

Successive UK Governments are by the by. Whoever they are they are still The Government.

No one knows what The UK Police have discovered.

Read other books than just that one, Eleanor. When a child disappears without any trace, police everywhere - Portugal, UK, US, and everywhere else - always suspect everyone: the child's parents included.

Online Wonderfulspam

Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
« Reply #626 on: November 27, 2013, 04:11:01 PM »
Amaral was the botched investigation.  Read his book.  The McCanns were guilty on Day One, according to him.

Successive UK Governments are by the by. Whoever they are they are still The Government.

No one knows what The UK Police have discovered.

Amaral was the botched investigation.  Read his book.  The McCanns were guilty on Day One, according to him.


Has he been proven wrong?
"I bet the parents dunnit" (Me)

ferryman

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Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
« Reply #627 on: November 27, 2013, 04:12:11 PM »
Amaral was the botched investigation.  Read his book.  The McCanns were guilty on Day One, according to him.


Has he been proven wrong?

Comprehensively.

Redblossom

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Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
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Offline Eleanor

Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
« Reply #629 on: November 27, 2013, 04:15:48 PM »
Were any rogatory requests submitted during Team Amaral's tenure?

I don't think so.  So not possible to blame Amaral for that cock up, presuming that they made more mistakes than the Southern Ireland mistake.
But no further application was made to reinterview The Smiths, which would suggest that The Portuguese Investigation at that time did not think that The Smith's testimonies would add anything at all.
And nor do I, as it happens.