Author Topic: What is Amaral going to do now ?  (Read 12292 times)

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C.Edwards

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Re: What is Amaral going to do now ?
« Reply #15 on: October 26, 2013, 09:13:47 AM »
Well specifically there is the complete lack of evidence against the McCanns as reported by the AG in the archival report.

That would be evidence in itself of the non-involvement of the parents.

No doubt the SY and Oporto teams have their own reasons for ruling out the McCanns which so far they have quite correctly not chosen to make clear to the general public.

Right. So there'll be evidence of my non-involvement in Madeleine's disappearance. And yours. And billions of other people?  How can you have evidence of non-involvement?  Spin it how you like, that statement is nonsensical.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: What is Amaral going to do now ?
« Reply #16 on: October 26, 2013, 09:17:28 AM »
Right. So there'll be evidence of my non-involvement in Madeleine's disappearance. And yours. And billions of other people?  How can you have evidence of non-involvement?  Spin it how you like, that statement is nonsensical.

You don't seem to understand the difference between evidence and proof. There is plenty of evidence of the parents non involvement, in law, a simple witness testimony is evidence.

C.Edwards

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Re: What is Amaral going to do now ?
« Reply #17 on: October 26, 2013, 09:26:48 AM »
Come on gilet, how does evidence of non-involvement work?

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Re: What is Amaral going to do now ?
« Reply #18 on: October 26, 2013, 09:28:36 AM »
Right. So there'll be evidence of my non-involvement in Madeleine's disappearance. And yours. And billions of other people?  How can you have evidence of non-involvement?  Spin it how you like, that statement is nonsensical.

A complete lack of any evidence whatsoever of a crime being committed by someone suggests very strongly to all but the most deluded that they did not commit a crime.

That applies as we know with certainty to the McCanns.

That also would apply to you, me and anyone else if a thorough investigation had been done which lasted a year and subsequently two separate reviews of all available evidence had been done which also found no evidence of any involvement by us.

It is not as you claim nonsensical to suggest that when there is no evidence whatsoever of a person committing a crime after five years of police searching diligently for such evidence that in itself is evidence that they did not commit a crime.

Imagine a lawyer prosecuting a person up before the Judge.

P  "Well actually My Lord, the police have searched for five years for evidence against the defendant but have found none at all. Nevertheless we have brought him before you because we still think he committed the crime."

J.  "You're having a laff. Right!"

P.  "No My Lord, the complete lack of evidence is not evidence that the man didn't commit this crime."

J.  "Case dismissed. Haul that lawyer to the cells for contempt!"


C.Edwards

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Re: What is Amaral going to do now ?
« Reply #19 on: October 26, 2013, 09:32:49 AM »
A complete lack of any evidence whatsoever of a crime being committed by someone suggests very strongly to all but the most deluded that they did not commit a crime.

That applies as we know with certainty to the McCanns.

That also would apply to you, me and anyone else if a thorough investigation had been done which lasted a year and subsequently two separate reviews of all available evidence had been done which also found no evidence of any involvement by us.

It is not as you claim nonsensical to suggest that when there is no evidence whatsoever of a person committing a crime after five years of police searching diligently for such evidence that in itself is evidence that they did not commit a crime.

Imagine a lawyer prosecuting a person up before the Judge.

P  "Well actually My Lord, the police have searched for five years for evidence against the defendant but have found none at all. Nevertheless we have brought him before you because we still think he committed the crime."

J.  "You're having a laff. Right!"

P.  "No My Lord, the complete lack of evidence is not evidence that the man didn't commit this crime."

J.  "Case dismissed. Haul that lawyer to the cells for contempt!"

So if Chinagirl had said, "there is a LACK of evidence of their involvement..." would that have been more accurate than "there is evidence of their non-involvement" would you say...?  You've just put up a strawman.  Stick to answering the points I make instead of the points you want to answer and we may avoid this tiresome bickering.

Offline gilet

Re: What is Amaral going to do now ?
« Reply #20 on: October 26, 2013, 09:33:24 AM »
Come on gilet, how does evidence of non-involvement work?

Patience my dear. Patience!

I am not at your beck and call.

And as I said elsewhere on the forum, you may well have to be very patient from now one because neither the PJ nor the SY team will be splashing evidence around in the way that was done in the past. I am sure that the Oporto team are only too aware of the damage done to the case by the lurid headlines which came from the breaking of the secrecy rules in the past.

C.Edwards

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Re: What is Amaral going to do now ?
« Reply #21 on: October 26, 2013, 09:35:50 AM »
Patience my dear. Patience!

I am not at your beck and call.

And as I said elsewhere on the forum, you may well have to be very patient from now one because neither the PJ nor the SY team will be splashing evidence around in the way that was done in the past. I am sure that the Oporto team are only too aware of the damage done to the case by the lurid headlines which came from the breaking of the secrecy rules in the past.

Oh I understand both points entirely. I'm still waiting (along with several others) for the name of your witness.  I don't see why you wish to remain so coy about it. If it's in the files, name him.  Take your time though, wouldn't want you to feel rushed.

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Re: What is Amaral going to do now ?
« Reply #22 on: October 26, 2013, 09:36:39 AM »
So if Chinagirl had said, "there is a LACK of evidence of their involvement..." would that have been more accurate than "there is evidence of their non-involvement" would you say...?  You've just put up a strawman.  Stick to answering the points I make instead of the points you want to answer and we may avoid this tiresome bickering.

You may see this as tiresome bickering. I see it as debating the issue that you chose to raise. The one that you insert in every single thread you post in whether it is relevant or not.

I do not agree with your proposal though.

I think it is perfectly valid to suggest that the total lack of any evidence against the McCanns is in itself a clear form of evidence that they did not commit the crime they were accused of especially as that lack comes after three separate reviews of all possible evidence.


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Re: What is Amaral going to do now ?
« Reply #23 on: October 26, 2013, 09:42:28 AM »
Oh I understand both points entirely. I'm still waiting (along with several others) for the name of your witness.  I don't see why you wish to remain so coy about it. If it's in the files, name him.  Take your time though, wouldn't want you to feel rushed.

You are clearly unaware and rather off topic here of course as usual but the full name has been given, full quote has been given in both English and Portuguese (thanks Luz) and full reference given. I won't be repeating all this just because you failed to read it and wish to disrupt this topic now to tell us that.

C.Edwards

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Re: What is Amaral going to do now ?
« Reply #24 on: October 26, 2013, 10:11:49 AM »
You are clearly unaware and rather off topic here of course as usual but the full name has been given, full quote has been given in both English and Portuguese (thanks Luz) and full reference given. I won't be repeating all this just because you failed to read it and wish to disrupt this topic now to tell us that.

What is so hard to understand gilet?  Why are you unwilling to name your person?  Is it because you actually realise there is no such person and by naming the name, you will open yourself to (even more) ridicule? You are looking increasingly silly right now...

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Re: What is Amaral going to do now ?
« Reply #25 on: October 26, 2013, 10:17:33 AM »
What is so hard to understand gilet?  Why are you unwilling to name your person?  Is it because you actually realise there is no such person and by naming the name, you will open yourself to (even more) ridicule? You are looking increasingly silly right now...

Go to the relevant thread. Read carefully and see the name posted.
Your disruption of this thread is tedious.

C.Edwards

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Re: What is Amaral going to do now ?
« Reply #26 on: October 26, 2013, 10:18:51 AM »
Go to the relevant thread. Read carefully and see the name posted.
Your disruption of this thread is tedious.

Your failure to answer the question is tedious. I've already pointed out your post where your "Mr A Worker" is identified. Can't find him in the files, curiously enough.

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Re: What is Amaral going to do now ?
« Reply #27 on: October 26, 2013, 11:54:15 AM »
Your failure to answer the question is tedious. I've already pointed out your post where your "Mr A Worker" is identified. Can't find him in the files, curiously enough.

Still off topic.
Go to the relevant thread and read the big picture Luz posted.

Benita

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Re: What is Amaral going to do now ?
« Reply #28 on: October 26, 2013, 12:09:54 PM »
NEW INVESTIGATION

Wake up Stephen hun its time to move on..we in 2013 not 2007/2008 Amaral is not in charge anymore...

stephen25000

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Re: What is Amaral going to do now ?
« Reply #29 on: October 26, 2013, 12:44:39 PM »
NEW INVESTIGATION

Wake up Stephen hun its time to move on..we in 2013 not 2007/2008 Amaral is not in charge anymore...

Wow that's amazing, Amaral not in charge, now that's a major relevation. @)(++(*

So where is the carte blanche evidence of abduction ?