Was Martin Smith mistaken about his 60% - 80% certainty after all?

[Carana]

But he wasn't asked that specific question, was he?
He could have said "I didn't recognise the man as anyone I'd encountered in PdL during my holiday."
Why did he need to rule RM out as a candidate for Smithman before he'd even been ruled in?

Perhaps he was asked? RM was already an arguido, so checking if he could have been either Tannerman or Smithman seems logical to me.

[misty]

Perhaps he was asked? RM was already an arguido, so checking if he could have been either Tannerman or Smithman seems logical to me.

In the wording order of the statement, he had just told the PJ it would not be possible for him to recognise the individual in person or by photograph. Why would the PJ then show him a photograph? Why doesn't the transcript state that he was shown a photograph? Neither PS or AS appear to have been shown a photograph for identification/elimination purposes.

"— Questioned, says that the individual did not speak nor did the child as she was in a deep sleep.
— States that it is not possible for him to recognise the individual in person or by photograph.
— Adds that in May and August of 2006, he saw ROBERT MURAT in Praia da Luz bars"

[Carana]

In the wording order of the statement, he had just told the PJ it would not be possible for him to recognise the individual in person or by photograph. Why would the PJ then show him a photograph? Why doesn't the transcript state that he was shown a photograph? Neither PS or AS appear to have been shown a photograph for identification/elimination purposes.

"— Questioned, says that the individual did not speak nor did the child as she was in a deep sleep.
— States that it is not possible for him to recognise the individual in person or by photograph.
— Adds that in May and August of 2006, he saw ROBERT MURAT in Praia da Luz bars"

Yes, I noticed that, however, it's not a transcript, Misty. It would be so much clearer if it had been. It's just a summary worded however the officer chose to write down notes. It's not even clear how much of a conversation there may have been that was then summarised. It's not even clear whether he was shown photos of a specific individual or even a variety of people.

[pathfinder73]

In the wording order of the statement, he had just told the PJ it would not be possible for him to recognise the individual in person or by photograph. Why would the PJ then show him a photograph? Why doesn't the transcript state that he was shown a photograph? Neither PS or AS appear to have been shown a photograph for identification/elimination purposes.

"— Questioned, says that the individual did not speak nor did the child as she was in a deep sleep.
— States that it is not possible for him to recognise the individual in person or by photograph.
— Adds that in May and August of 2006, he saw ROBERT MURAT in Praia da Luz bars"

"He also states that the individual who carried the child was not ROBERT. He would have recognised him immediately."

[misty]

"He also states that the individual who carried the child was not ROBERT. He would have recognised him immediately."

Why would he have said that? He'd only seen Robert twice.
What possible connection did he have in his mind between Tannerman & the man he witnessed? There was none.
The child MS had a long sleeved top on therefore she was not Madeleine.

[G-Unit]

Do you actually think Martin Smith (or his wife) would have produced e-fits of a man (either) thought was Gerry?

Perhaps you do ....

I brought this from the 'Sadie's theory' thread.

I don't know how e-fits are produced these days, but in previous times they used templates of different hairstyles, hairlines, ears, mouths etc. If that's how these e-fits were produced then the pictures which emerged were certainly similar to Gerry McCann and were not dissimilar enough to say it wasn't him.

[Carana]

I brought this from the 'Sadie's theory' thread.

I don't know how e-fits are produced these days, but in previous times they used templates of different hairstyles, hairlines, ears, mouths etc. If that's how these e-fits were produced then the pictures which emerged were certainly similar to Gerry McCann and were not dissimilar enough to say it wasn't him.

Fair enough. But one e-fit also looks vaguely like Cristóvão, Piers Morgan and no doubt any number of other men.

[G-Unit]

Fair enough. But one e-fit also looks vaguely like Cristóvão, Piers Morgan and no doubt any number of other men.

Then you have to match the height and build. Piers Morgan is over 6 feet in height, so too tall. I don't know about Cristavao's height, but he looks quite unfit - not 'on the thin side'.

[Alice Purjorick]

Fair enough. But one e-fit also looks vaguely like Cristóvão, Piers Morgan and no doubt any number of other men.

You are Lobby Ludd,The Man With The Ipcress File, The Man With The Quiller Memorandum (or whatever) and I claim my prize !

[Carana]

You are Lobby Ludd,The Man With The Ipcress File, The Man With The Quiller Memorandum (or whatever) and I claim my prize !

Luckily, I don't take you too seriously.... ;)

[pathfinder73]

When asked, she says she would probably be able to identify the individual she saw, being able to identify him from the side and from his manner of walking. (Jane Tanner 4 May 2007)

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JANE-TANNER.htm

Before the search, we want to assure ourselves that Jane Tanner recognises him as the individual she saw on the night of the disappearance. She is sitting inside an unmarked car, whose tinted windows allow her to see out without being spotted. The vehicle is parked at the exact spot where she was on the night of May 3rd. Robert Murat, anonymous amongst plain clothes police officers, goes up the road in the same way as the alleged abductor. Jane Tanner is adamant: it certainly is Robert Murat that she saw that night. She definitely recognises his way of walking. TOTL

[Eleanor]

When asked, she says she would probably be able to identify the individual she saw, being able to identify him from the side and from his manner of walking. (Jane Tanner 4 May 2007)

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JANE-TANNER.htm

Before the search, we want to assure ourselves that Jane Tanner recognises him as the individual she saw on the night of the disappearance. She is sitting inside an unmarked car, whose tinted windows allow her to see out without being spotted. The vehicle is parked at the exact spot where she was on the night of May 3rd. Robert Murat, anonymous amongst plain clothes police officers, goes up the road in the same way as the alleged abductor. Jane Tanner is adamant: it certainly is Robert Murat that she saw that night. She definitely recognises his way of walking. TOTL

Like Mr. Smith recognised Gerry McCann's way of carrying a child.  Like thousands of others do.

[pathfinder73]

Like Mr. Smith recognised Gerry McCann's way of carrying a child.  Like thousands of others do.

I would be interested in the witness that actually saw his face at the time.

[misty]

When asked, she says she would probably be able to identify the individual she saw, being able to identify him from the side and from his manner of walking. (Jane Tanner 4 May 2007)

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JANE-TANNER.htm

Before the search, we want to assure ourselves that Jane Tanner recognises him as the individual she saw on the night of the disappearance. She is sitting inside an unmarked car, whose tinted windows allow her to see out without being spotted. The vehicle is parked at the exact spot where she was on the night of May 3rd. Robert Murat, anonymous amongst plain clothes police officers, goes up the road in the same way as the alleged abductor. Jane Tanner is adamant: it certainly is Robert Murat that she saw that night. She definitely recognises his way of walking. TOTL

The man JT saw walking while she was sitting in the vehicle was not carrying a child. His gait may have  been different when carrying a weight - especially if he had a bad back.

[pathfinder73]

The man JT saw walking while she was sitting in the vehicle was not carrying a child. His gait may have  been different when carrying a weight - especially if he had a bad back.

It wasn't Murat anyway. She said the man was slim in her first statement. Murat is not slim.

"Dark skinned individual, male sex, aged between 35-40, slim physical appearance." (JT 4 May)