Was Martin Smith mistaken about his 60% - 80% certainty after all?

[misty]

It wasn't Murat anyway. She said the man was slim in her first statement. Murat is not slim.

"Dark skinned individual, male sex, aged between 35-40, slim physical appearance." (JT 4 May)

I agree. Neither Tannerman nor Smithman was RM.

[Brietta]

When asked, she says she would probably be able to identify the individual she saw, being able to identify him from the side and from his manner of walking. (Jane Tanner 4 May 2007)

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JANE-TANNER.htm

Before the search, we want to assure ourselves that Jane Tanner recognises him as the individual she saw on the night of the disappearance. She is sitting inside an unmarked car, whose tinted windows allow her to see out without being spotted. The vehicle is parked at the exact spot where she was on the night of May 3rd. Robert Murat, anonymous amongst plain clothes police officers, goes up the road in the same way as the alleged abductor. Jane Tanner is adamant: it certainly is Robert Murat that she saw that night. She definitely recognises his way of walking. TOTL

Why do you keep on posting the lie from Goncalo Amaral's book that Jane tanner ID anyone let alone a named individual.

Jane Tanner was unable to identify anyone ... you are the statement specialist ... you must know this as it is reiterated in her rogatory statement which is not open to interpretation as it was recorded.

[ferryman]

Like Mr. Smith recognised Gerry McCann's way of carrying a child.  Like thousands of others do.

Recognise the way Gerry walks, carrying a child, you mean? ....

[stephen25000]

Recognise the way Gerry walks, carrying a child, you mean? ....

How does he walk then ?

[mercury]

Smith saw something that bothered him
We had a massive worldwide case
He was uncomfortable and shaken but rang the Gardia, it's about time people stopped laying into Martin Smith because they don't like what he said! and accept he was a brave person, whether it was bleeding Gerry or not

[Brietta]

Smith saw something that bothered him
We had a massive worldwide case
He was uncomfortable and shaken but rang the Gardia, it's about time people stopped laying into Martin Smith because they don't like what he said! and accept he was a brave person, whether it was bleeding Gerry or not

Mr McCluskey was similarly "uncomfortable and shaken" and also reported his concerns to the police as did Mr Smith almost word for word.  Comparison of the circumstances of one which dropped off the radar and one which was added to the sceptic lexicon is worth a thought.

[pegasus]

Mr McCluskey was similarly "uncomfortable and shaken" and also reported his concerns to the police as did Mr Smith almost word for word.  Comparison of the circumstances of one which dropped off the radar and one which was added to the sceptic lexicon is worth a thought.

Yes, identification by style of carrying is rubbish.

IMO the McCluskeys did not see MM or GM.
IMO the Smith group did not see MM or GM.

And obviously the perp whoever he is would not carry a visible child through the streets.

[mercury]

Mr McCluskey was similarly "uncomfortable and shaken" and also reported his concerns to the police as did Mr Smith almost word for word.  Comparison of the circumstances of one which dropped off the radar and one which was added to the sceptic lexicon is worth a thought.

perhaps you might like to start with the differences and likenesses of the two statements, floor is yours, will catch up tomorrow as I don't know anything about this mccluskey...do enlighten ta

[pathfinder73]

Why do you keep on posting the lie from Goncalo Amaral's book that Jane tanner ID anyone let alone a named individual.

Jane Tanner was unable to identify anyone ... you are the statement specialist ... you must know this as it is reiterated in her rogatory statement which is not open to interpretation as it was recorded.

It's in her statement that she would recognise his walking and Amaral confirmed that she did when various men walked across the road.

[G-Unit]

Mr McClusckey identified the couple he had seen as the McCanns in Sept 2007;

Having viewed recent news footage of Mrs McCann I am now almost certain that she is the female I described as being in a distressed state. I say this because of her slight build, high cheekbones and her eyes and hairstyle.

Another thing which has played on my mind is the coverage of Mr McCann walking off the aeroplane holding one of his young children. The way he was holding the child over his left shoulder reminded me of the man carrying the child from the white van in Portugal.

Although I could not describe the male I'd seen in Portugal because he had his back to me, it was the particular way Mr. McCann held the child that made me think. He held the child over his left shoulder with his left arm supporting the child?s weight.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RI_Mc.htm

Martin Smith said;

He states it was like watching an action replay of the night he saw the male carrying the child back in Portugal.....
It was the way Gerard McCann turned his head down which was similar to what the individual did on 3rd May 2007 when we met him. It may have been the way he was carrying the child either. I would be 60-80% sure that it was Gerard McCann that I met that night carrying a child. I am basing that on his mannerism in the way he carried the child off the plane.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_SMITH.htm

Mr McCluskeys sighting was ruled out;

proof of their names was presented. Recent photos were shown, of April this year and from before with their daughter in Leca where they live. Physical similarities were noted with the missing girl Madeleine McCann, although (the Ukrainian girl) was bigger and with a rounder face.

Having previously spoken to the neighbours it was established that the girl had left with the father and a colleague on Monday.....There was no doubt that the girl was the daughter of both, known by the neighbours and having lived at the address for a long time.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RI_Mc.htm

The McCluskey sighting was ruled out so is of no interest and has no bearing at all. It needs to be forgotten. The Smith sighting has not been ruled out. It was brought forward as important in 2013 and as far as we know the man has not yet been identified.

[Eleanor]

It's in her statement that she would recognise his walking and Amaral confirmed that she did when various men walked across the road.

Then why was there No Statement?

[Benice]

It's in her statement that she would recognise his walking and Amaral confirmed that she did when various men walked across the road.

So where is her witness statement to say that?     There isn't one because a statement by JT would have said she wasn't able to identify the person she saw at the ID as RM  - and so would have been of no use whatsoever to Amaral - and so he told his men to send her home.    Without that statement - he could make any claim he wanted to after that - which is exactly what he did.

I've no doubt that he told RM that JT had positively identified him - in the same way Gerry was told that the PJ had a 100% match to Madeleine's DNA.

Why would JT say she couldn't recognise RM if she had told the PJ officers with her that she did recognise him?  What would be the point of such a lie when she knew those PJ officers present could make statements saying the opposite.     

Those PJ officers were simply  told to send her home.    Why weren't they called in to make statements themselves to confirm that JT had just identified RM to them?  After all  - this was massively important evidence.   If such statements existed Amaral would certainly have mentioned them in his book IMO.   But not a word.

How anyone can ignore all of the above and still claim JT identified RM is inexplicable to me.

AIMHO

 

[slartibartfast]

Then why was there No Statement?

If JT told GA it was RM but then declined to make a statement due to her not being 100% then the book would be accurate and no statement.

[Eleanor]

If JT told GA it was RM but then declined to make a statement due to her not being 100% then the book would be accurate and no statement.

Not being 100% sure, eh?  Back to square one then.  No credible evidence.  Actually, no evidence at all.

[Benice]

If JT told GA it was RM but then declined to make a statement due to her not being 100% then the book would be accurate and no statement.

Why would she have any objection to making a statement saying she wasn't able to identify anyone in the ID parade as the man she saw on 3rd May - and giving her reasons why?

The only reason why she didn't make a statement is because when the PJ officer phoned in to relay the negative result of the ID to Amaral  - and to ask whether she needed to be brought in sign anything -  they were told  it wasn't necessary and to send her home.   And that's what they did.

AIMO