The Leonor Cipriano case reviewed... AGAIN!

[Mr Gray]

Do you believe that Joana is alive then?

I have no idea..al I am saying is that the evidence looks poor. I don't understand why the pj did not test the fridge blood for dna...its as though they don't care about evidence

[Cariad]

I have no idea..al I am saying is that the evidence looks poor. I don't understand why the pj did not test the fridge blood for dna...its as though they don't care about evidence

I did more reading on this case yesterday, and I'll do some more today. A lot of the links are in Portuguese and those which aren't are related to The Mccann case. If I learn anything of value, I'll share it here.

If you have any links which you think are informative can you post them or PM me please?

[Benice]

I will say again..this case may well be a case of miscarriage of justice. could you tell me what evidence there is to convict.

Totally agree.     

Apparently part of the prosecution evidence presented to the court as proof of guilt  was that LC wore a black blouse at some time after her daughter disappeared! 

Amongst the 29 'facts' which the court threw out I noticed  that the Court did not  believe that LC or her brother changed their clothes after they had done the deed - and went out that night wearing the same clothes.     So - apparently neither of them got a speck of blood on their clothes whilst dismembering a body with a saw and a knife and then handling the body parts.   I find that very hard to believe. 
 
Quote from facts NOT proved:

22- that the arguidos changed the clothes that they were wearing and that arguida BB, once again that night, washed the blood that had remained on the floor.
Unquote.

How anyone can believe that there is no chance that a Miscarriage of Justice occurred with this case - is beyond me.   

[lizzibif.]

Totally agree.     

Apparently part of the prosecution evidence presented to the court as proof of guilt  was that LC wore a black blouse at some time after her daughter disappeared! 

Amongst the 29 'facts' which the court threw out I noticed  that the Court did not  believe that LC or her brother changed their clothes after they had done the deed - and went out that night wearing the same clothes.     So - apparently neither of them got a speck of blood on their clothes whilst dismembering a body with a saw and a knife and then handling the body parts.   I find that very hard to believe. 
 
Quote from facts NOT proved:

22- that the arguidos changed the clothes that they were wearing and that arguida BB, once again that night, washed the blood that had remained on the floor.
Unquote.

How anyone can believe that there is no chance that a Miscarriage of Justice occurred with this case - is beyond me.

There's a cover up somewhere..why I don't know..maybe to save face at solving a missing child case..what made this case more noticable..is the fact amaral used the exact  same theory in the madeleine case..thats why its being questioned by so many people..along with the lack of evidence..DNA blood etc.

[John]

No matter what nonsense is posted in relation to this case nobody has ever explained why Leonor Cipriano didn't phone the police when it was clear that her 8-year-old daughter was missing?

The truth being of course that she and her brother needed the time in order to clean up the crime scene.

There's none so blind as those who will not see!

[lizzibif.]

so tell me why this case has been reviewed so many times..there is obviously something not right.

[Mr Gray]

No matter what nonsense is posted in relation to this case nobody has ever explained why Leonor Cipriano didn't phone the police when it was clear that her 8-year-old daughter was missing?

The truth being of course that she and her brother needed the time in order to clean up the crime scene.

There's none so blind as those who will not see!

no one has explained why  the pj didn't dna test the blood in the fridge..it seems an obvious thing to do..perhaps they feared that a real piece of evidence might destroy their case

[Benice]

so tell me why this case has been reviewed so many times..there is obviously something not right.

Once it had been accepted by the courts that brutal torture of the defendant(s) had taken place - then the guilty verdict should have automatically been seen as unsafe IMO.   Surely they could have ordered a re-trial if they still thought LC may be guilty.   One can only speculate on why they didn't do that.

[lizzibif.]

Once it had been accepted by the courts that brutal torture of the defendant(s) had taken place - then the guilty verdict should have automatically been seen as unsafe IMO.   Surely they could have ordered a re-trial if they still thought LC may be guilty.   One can only speculate on why they didn't do that.

not enough evidence..hence her beatings.

[colombosstogey]

so tell me why this case has been reviewed so many times..there is obviously something not right.

It hasnt been reviewed so many times...

I dont know why people just dont get it. They confessed BEFORE she was even beaten in front of her SOLICITOR. She had no bruises, or black eyes.... CONFESSED so did the uncle. That is one of the reasons I believe they got a shorter sentence, after all 16 years is not long for cold blooded murder of a child.

The only reviews were because she LIED and it had to go back to court. In April she was found guilty of LYING and her sentence was increased for wasting court time....its there why is it people cant find these facts?

Jeez why are we even discussing this case on a Madeliene thread in the first place. IF people are so interested in getting justice for the mother and uncle and get them released from prison then why dont you ask Admin to start a new thread just for that.

I followed this case in 2004 BEFORE Maddy, the only link is Amaral....again.....

Start a petition for Leonor Cipriano...RELEASE Leonor Cipriano for injustice. This poor women and her brother have been in prison for a crime they never committed.

The child was just in the way and must have died by someone elses hands, perhaps the same person who took Maddy........

You can start a petition on the Internet and send it to PORTUGESE Justice system, I am sure you will get lots of signatures to support your case.

But please can we move on to the case in hand.

Little Madeliene McCann who is lost.

[lizzibif.]

The truth of the matter is that if Amaral hadn't made such a cock up in The McCann Case..and attempted to use the same scenario..in an attempt to stitch up The McCanns..then we would probably never have heard of The Ciprianos or of the terrible things that were done to them..Or of Amaral's Fraud against his brother..or his sordid love affair and tax fraud.

[Benice]

It hasnt been reviewed so many times...

I dont know why people just dont get it. They confessed BEFORE she was even beaten in front of her SOLICITOR. She had no bruises, or black eyes.... CONFESSED so did the uncle. That is one of the reasons I believe they got a shorter sentence, after all 16 years is not long for cold blooded murder of a child.

The only reviews were because she LIED and it had to go back to court. In April she was found guilty of LYING and her sentence was increased for wasting court time....its there why is it people cant find these facts?

Jeez why are we even discussing this case on a Madeliene thread in the first place. IF people are so interested in getting justice for the mother and uncle and get them released from prison then why dont you ask Admin to start a new thread just for that.

I followed this case in 2004 BEFORE Maddy, the only link is Amaral....again.....

Start a petition for Leonor Cipriano...RELEASE Leonor Cipriano for injustice. This poor women and her brother have been in prison for a crime they never committed.

The child was just in the way and must have died by someone elses hands, perhaps the same person who took Maddy........

You can start a petition on the Internet and send it to PORTUGESE Justice system, I am sure you will get lots of signatures to support your case.

But please can we move on to the case in hand.

Little Madeliene McCann who is lost.

This thread is about the LC case.   If you don't approve - then you have the choice to ignore it.

LC was found guilty of mis-identifying her torturers.   The fact that she was tortured was not in dispute and was not part of that judgement.    The court's findings were that there was no proof that it was those PJ officers LC named who tortured her.   Therefore her torturers remain free.

IIRC the officers concerned dropped their own case for libel against LC some time ago.   If that is true then I would be interested to know who it was who brought this latest case to court.

 

   

[colombosstogey]

This thread is about the LC case.   If you don't approve - then you have the choice to ignore it.

LC was found guilty of mis-identifying her torturers.   The fact that she was tortured was not in dispute and was not part of that judgement.    The court's findings were that there was no proof that it was those PJ officers LC named who tortured her.   Therefore her torturers remain free.

IIRC the officers concerned dropped their own case for libel against LC some time ago.   If that is true then I would be interested to know who it was who brought this latest case to court.

 

 

I think i am in the twilight zone.

This section of UK JUSTICE FORUM was supposed to be about the disappearance of Madeliene Mccann. The Cipriano case has NOTHING TO DO WITH THE McCann case.

I give up anyway it is pointless in wasting energy over those who cannot see because they are so blinkered by the necessity to discredit Mr Amaral anyway they can....

Time to move on I think this is nothing to do with finding Madeliene it is just a WITCH hunt for Mr Amaral.....

Poor Madeliene with friends like she has on most of these forums she will never be found......because people are too interested in burying Amaral...

[Wonderfulspam]

I think i am in the twilight zone.

This section of UK JUSTICE FORUM was supposed to be about the disappearance of Madeliene Mccann. The Cipriano case has NOTHING TO DO WITH THE McCann case.

I give up anyway it is pointless in wasting energy over those who cannot see because they are so blinkered by the necessity to discredit Mr Amaral anyway they can....

Time to move on I think this is nothing to do with finding Madeliene it is just a WITCH hunt for Mr Amaral.....

Poor Madeliene with friends like she has on most of these forums she will never be found......because people are too interested in burying Amaral...

Gonçalo Amaral

"From that couple, I already expect everything. Nonetheless, if in fact they are looking for their daughter, it is not in the Portuguese civil courts that they will find her"

[Mr Gray]

It hasnt been reviewed so many times...

I dont know why people just dont get it. They confessed BEFORE she was even beaten in front of her SOLICITOR. She had no bruises, or black eyes.... CONFESSED so did the uncle. That is one of the reasons I believe they got a shorter sentence, after all 16 years is not long for cold blooded murder of a child.

The only reviews were because she LIED and it had to go back to court. In April she was found guilty of LYING and her sentence was increased for wasting court time....its there why is it people cant find these facts?

[i]Jeez why are we even discussing this case on a Madeliene thread in the first place. IF people are so interested in getting justice for the mother and uncle and get them released from prison then why dont you ask Admin to start a new thread just for that.[/i]

I followed this case in 2004 BEFORE Maddy, the only link is Amaral....again.....

Start a petition for Leonor Cipriano...RELEASE Leonor Cipriano for injustice. This poor women and her brother have been in prison for a crime they never committed.

The child was just in the way and must have died by someone elses hands, perhaps the same person who took Maddy........

You can start a petition on the Internet and send it to PORTUGESE Justice system, I am sure you will get lots of signatures to support your case.

But please can we move on to the case in hand.

Little Madeliene McCann who is lost.

 if you read the opening thread it was started by Luz