Author Topic: Why have the McCanns never taken part in an actual organised search for Madeleine?  (Read 23793 times)

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stephen25000

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Let's take the 'nobody was searching' statement in the book.

The book was supposed to be a factual account of what happened.

Facts need to be checked.

It was widely reported in the aftermath of Madeleine's disappearance that local people and holidaymakers searched overnight and on subsequent days, both on news reports and in the media in general.

As far as I know the lie that only the Mccanns were searching has not been removed from the book, which was clearly a ploy to gain sympathy for the parents.

As to Amaral, he got the D.N.A. evidence wrong, no doubt about it, as it was inconclusive.

As to lying, have you ever met a person who has never lied in their lives ?

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Offline Benice

let's take the 'nobody was searching' statement in the book.

The book was supposed to be a factual account of what happened.

Facts need to be checked.

It was widely reported in the aftermath of Madeleine's disappearance that local people and holidaymakers searched overnight and on subsequent days, both on news reports and in the media in general.

As far as I know the lie that only the Mccanns were searching has not been removed from the book, which was clearly a ploy to gain sympathy for the parents.As to Amaral, he got the D.N.A. evidence wrong, no doubt about it, as it was inconclusive.

As to lying, have you ever met a person who has never lied in their lives ?

The McCanns didn't say other people did not search for Madeleine.   They said they were the only ones looking in the area they searched when they went out at daybreak.   Probably because other people had gone home to bed. 

If they had said they saw other people searching when they didn't - then that would have been a lie.

I'm convinced that if you found out that the McCanns told their children Santa had brought their Xmas pressies - you would be gleefully holding that up as proof of what massive liars they are.
 
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                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

stephen25000

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The McCanns didn't say other people did not search for Madeleine.   They said they were the only ones looking in the area they searched when they went out at daybreak.   Probably because other people had gone home to bed. 

If they had said they saw other people searching when they didn't - then that would have been a lie.

I'm convinced that if you found out that the McCanns told their children Santa had brought their Xmas pressies - you would be gleefully holding that up as proof of what massive liars they are.

You are being pedantic.

By saying they were the only ones searching, it implies nobody else was.

As to your last sentence, grow up.

Offline Luz

The McCanns didn't say other people did not search for Madeleine.   They said they were the only ones looking in the area they searched when they went out at daybreak.   Probably because other people had gone home to bed. 

If they had said they saw other people searching when they didn't - then that would have been a lie.

I'm convinced that if you found out that the McCanns told their children Santa had brought their Xmas pressies - you would be gleefully holding that up as proof of what massive liars they are.

You have to take it that the book was written to some privileged people that would have inferred that "nobody but us" meant that nobody was in the room where they made phone calls and went over putting up their little blog (which was latter put down - fortunately Pamalam preserved those jewels).

Well, if K. McCann searched that is news and contradictory:

« Last Edit: October 31, 2013, 08:36:18 AM by Luz »

Offline John

The only reference I can find in Kate's book is this...
 
Friday 4 May. Our first day without Madeleine. As soon as it was light Gerry and I resumed our search. We went up and down roads we’d never seen before, having barely left the Ocean Club complex all week. We jumped over walls and raked through undergrowth. We looked in ditches and holes. All was quiet apart from the sound of barking dogs, which added to the eeriness of the atmosphere. I remember opening a big dumpster-type bin and saying to myself, please God, don’t let her be in here. The most striking and horrific thing about all this was that we were completely alone. Nobody else, it seemed, was out looking for Madeleine. Just us, her parents.We must have been out for at least an hour before returning to David and Fiona’s apartment.
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A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Benice

The only reference I can find in Kate's book is this...
 
Friday 4 May. Our first day without Madeleine. As soon as it was light Gerry and I resumed our search. We went up and down roads we’d never seen before, having barely left the Ocean Club complex all week. We jumped over walls and raked through undergrowth. We looked in ditches and holes. All was quiet apart from the sound of barking dogs, which added to the eeriness of the atmosphere. I remember opening a big dumpster-type bin and saying to myself, please God, don’t let her be in here. The most striking and horrific thing about all this was that we were completely alone. Nobody else, it seemed, was out looking for Madeleine. Just us, her parents.We must have been out for at least an hour before returning to David and Fiona’s apartment.


Notice it says ''Nobody else IT SEEMED was out looking for Madeleine.'' and the reason it SEEMED like that was because they never saw or met anyone else during their search.

Twisting that to try to make it mean that according to the McCanns no-one at all searched anywhere for Madeleine during that night is ridiculous.     Why would they make that claim when they knew that the first thing MW did was to put their search procedure into practice when the alarm was raised.

Just another case of poring over and dissecting every single word the McCanns say - looking for another stick to beat them with IMO.






The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

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Notice it says ''Nobody else IT SEEMED was out looking for Madeleine.'' and the reason it SEEMED like that was because they never saw or met anyone else during their search.

Twisting that to try to make it mean that according to the McCanns no-one at all searched anywhere for Madeleine during that night is ridiculous.     Why would they make that claim when they knew that the first thing MW did was to put their search procedure into practice when the alarm was raised.

Just another case of poring over and dissecting every single word the McCanns say - looking for another stick to beat them with IMO.
Exactly Benice ... and they qualified it by stating that it was at first light on the 4th of May.

Offline Angelo222

What lie about searching?   They both searched.   They did not join in the later searches organised by the locals etc because even if they had wanted to they would not have been allowed to by hundreds of media folk - who were being starved of information from the PJ - and who would have mobbed them on sight.  IMO.

The police advice to the parents in cases of child abduction is always to stay at home.

The McCanns appear to have a huge problem with the search for Madeleine.  I am not aware that they have ever taken part in a single organised search.  That for many people is astonishing. Why is that?

They said they were the only ones searching after 4am and we know that is a lie.  They did themselves no favours by decrying the locals who were out all night.  Me me me all the time.
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Offline Benice

They said they were the only ones searching after 4am and we know that is a lie.  They did themselves no favours by decrying the locals who were out all night.  Me me me all the time.

They didn't lie Angelo  -  they met no-one else out searching while they were out searching and it made them feel alone.      It was their perception based on their own experience at that particular time in that particular place.    'Lying' doesn't come into it IMO.         Not once did they ever decry the locals - but they were seriously alarmed when the PJ upped and left and said they wouldn't be back until 9.00ish the next morning.    And who can blame them?   


















The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

AnneGuedes

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They didn't lie Angelo  -  they met no-one else out searching while they were out searching and it made them feel alone.      It was their perception based on their own experience at that particular time in that particular place.    'Lying' doesn't come into it IMO.         Not once did they ever decry the locals - but they were seriously alarmed when the PJ upped and left and said they wouldn't be back until 9.00ish the next morning.    And who can blame them?
This is not true, read the many statements that are in the files.

Offline Eleanor

It wasn't that kind of book I've been told many, many times. It was a fundraiser, and primarily about Kate. But there is a problem there: you write a book to fund a search but the book barely mentions the search (very barely). That doesn't look good when you're simultaneously taking legal action against another writer for allegedly hampering the search you yourself chose not to highlight in your own book.

To me it was a catharsis which Kate badly needed. And if the book made money, which it did, then good.
What was there to say about the search?  It is more of a campaign than a search.  It was never possible for The McCanns to go out there and actively search, and it never will be.  They are doing the only thing they can do.

I am not feeling even remotely confrontational today.  But the fact is that I believe Madeleine was abducted and you apparently don't.

Amaral was never going to stop, so again, they are doing the only thing they can do.

Offline Angelo222

They didn't lie Angelo  -  they met no-one else out searching while they were out searching and it made them feel alone.      It was their perception based on their own experience at that particular time in that particular place.    'Lying' doesn't come into it IMO.         Not once did they ever decry the locals - but they were seriously alarmed when the PJ upped and left and said they wouldn't be back until 9.00ish the next morning.    And who can blame them?

They met no-one else out searching?   Good gracious, they couldn't have gone very far as many groups both Portuguese and British talk of being out all night and into the early morning.
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Offline jassi

They met no-one else out searching?   Good gracious, they couldn't have gone very far as many groups both Portuguese and British talk of being out all night and into the early morning.

Perhaps they were looking in out of the way places.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Eleanor

They met no-one else out searching?   Good gracious, they couldn't have gone very far as many groups both Portuguese and British talk of being out all night and into the early morning.

Exactly.  Into the early morning.  Not that I would have expected them to go on indefinitely.
But aren't we talking about the distress of a mother whose daughter was missing?  Surely she can be forgiven for being a trifle irrational.

Offline Angelo222

To me it was a catharsis which Kate badly needed. And if the book made money, which it did, then good.
What was there to say about the search?  It is more of a campaign than a search.  It was never possible for The McCanns to go out there and actively search, and it never will be.  They are doing the only thing they can do.

I am not feeling even remotely confrontational today.  But the fact is that I believe Madeleine was abducted and you apparently don't.

Amaral was never going to stop, so again, they are doing the only thing they can do.

Oh not back to that old chestnut again Eleanor, the poor dears cannot go out and search!!

Why they have never done it is because they are too full of their own importance.  They or at least Gerry was more involved in his own vested interest and still is than soil his silky smooth consultants hands in a search for Madeleine.   The truth is they abandoned Madeleine a very long time ago, the moment they thought they were about to be arrested they were out of there like scalded cats.

Get off your backsides Messrs McCann and go look for your daughter!!!!!

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