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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Has there been any other abductions on the Algarve?
« Reply #45 on: November 09, 2013, 02:29:30 PM »
Ergo there has only been one 'alleged' abduction on the algarve during the time frame sadie quoted i.e. that of Madeleine McCann !

 Mari Luz Cortes  has some similarities...not far away in spain

Aiofe

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Re: Has there been any other abductions on the Algarve?
« Reply #46 on: November 09, 2013, 02:31:56 PM »
According to this extract from Barra da Costa though, Leonor and João Cipriano didn't confess during the trial.



A PJ fez um vídeo, durante as investigações, para reconstituir o crime. Neste filme, João descreveu o crime com detalhes brutais. O vídeo foi exibido no último dia de julgamento. Mas as palavras de João não tinham qualquer valor, já que ele e Leonor tinham optado por não prestar declarações em julgamento.

http://www.asmeninasquevieramdasestrelas.com/juridica.html


I realise that the lawyer's site is controversial, but would Barra da Costa misrepresent the facts of the original trial?

We have been assured that a confession cannot be used in a Portuguese Court even if witnessed by the Police, unless the person agrees to it during a trial. This did sound wrong to me. Any cite for admission of confessions?

AnneGuedes

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Re: Has there been any other abductions on the Algarve?
« Reply #47 on: November 09, 2013, 11:27:20 PM »
According to this extract from Barra da Costa though, Leonor and João Cipriano didn't confess during the trial.



A PJ fez um vídeo, durante as investigações, para reconstituir o crime. Neste filme, João descreveu o crime com detalhes brutais. O vídeo foi exibido no último dia de julgamento. Mas as palavras de João não tinham qualquer valor, já que ele e Leonor tinham optado por não prestar declarações em julgamento.

http://www.asmeninasquevieramdasestrelas.com/juridica.html


I realise that the lawyer's site is controversial, but would Barra da Costa misrepresent the facts of the original trial?
I followed this link, Carana, and I found this :
comprova-se pois a brutalmente negligente (para não dizer pior) investigação policial quando se sabe, como já explanado no ponto 19 destes articulados, que o então responsável pelas investigações da Polícia Judiciária, Gonçalo de Sousa Amaral, nunca encetou diligências, apropriadas e em tempo útil, de investigação com vista a esclarecer o que verdadeiramente sucedeu à menina Joana Isabel Cipriano Guerreiro, tendo inclusivamente desprezado todas as pistas que também apontavam para que João Manuel Domingos Cipriano tivesse, ele e apenas ele, assassinado a criança e deitado o seu corpo num dos contentores de lixo da aldeia da Figueira; possibilidade esta que o então Coordenador Gonçalo de Sousa Amaral sempre negligenciou sem qualquer razão plausível conhecida, tendo apenas ordenado a verificação do aterro sanitário de Porto Lagos duas semanas depois do desaparecimento da menina, quando era já manifestamente impossível proceder a buscas nas milhares e milhares de toneladas de lixo entretanto acumuladas, misturadas, compactuadas e enterradas no subsolo (conforme folhas 267, 268 e 269 do 1º Volume dos autos).
which means
Is proved here the very neglecting (not to say worse) police investigation when one knows, as explained in point 19 of this exposition, that the responsible for the PJ investigation, Gonçalo de Sousa Amaral, never launched diligences, appropriate and in time, in order to clarify  what really happened to Joana Isabel Cipriano Guerreiro, having also despised all the leads that pointed to João Manuel Domingos Cipriano as the unique murderer of the child, who dropped her body in one of the bins in Figueira, a possibility that the coordinator Gonçalo de Sousa Amaral always neglected without any plausible reason, as he only ordered to check the landfill of Porto Lagos two weeks after the disappearance of the little girl, when it was obviously impossible to proceed to searches in the thousands of tons of garbage meanwhile accumulated, mixed up, compacted and buried  in the ground.

Strange, very strange.
Didn't this Barra da Costa suggest they were swingers ?

lizzibif.

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Re: Has there been any other abductions on the Algarve?
« Reply #48 on: November 09, 2013, 11:51:20 PM »
Another similarity that the mccann's were accused of.. >@@(*&) swinging must be the in thing in Portugal is it.

Offline jassi

Re: Has there been any other abductions on the Algarve?
« Reply #49 on: November 10, 2013, 08:40:31 AM »
Another similarity that the mccann's were accused of.. >@@(*&) swinging must be the in thing in Portugal is it.

Have no idea about the McCanns, but back in 2007, if you entered swinger and Portugal into Google, the first listing was for Mark Warner at PDL. I imagine it has been 'cleansed' by now.
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I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
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Or maybe not -

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