Has the McCann's Actions Turned a Supportive Public Against Them ?

[Aiofe]

I doubt they have more cases to deal with now than they did 20 years ago - the reason there is a 'massive amount' of cases is because there are less social workers and they have to comply with a lot more procedure. So they have less social workers dealing with (procedurally) more complex cases.

N

Social workers in child care are currently dealing with a Tsunami of referrals following the Baby P case- referrals are up by 100%, many of them defensive and time consuming but not actionable.

[BigFatBlonde]

Measure it on G Earth then Lyall and tell us what it is.  Make sure you keep close on the corners taking the shortest route that someone in a hurry would take.  Measure from where they sat to the patio doors.

Tell us what it measures Lyall.

See the first answer on this thread, from the Google Maps admin - "distances are approximations only"

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[Mr Gray]

Firstly, you omitted the relevant part of my post "they (the children) were out of sight and hearing, that was what mattered"

Secondly, how do you know why they weren't charged with neglect?  Do you have more information from the authorities than the rest of us do?  As I have previously explained, there are a number of reasons why parents are not actually charged in these situations - and no, I don't know which reason it was

 So in answer to the second part of your post I think we can say that they weren't charged with neglect...no need for the sarcastic comments re information from the authorities

[BigFatBlonde]

Are you sure you know child care law. If you did you would know that they could not be charged with neglect in England for something that happened abroad.

Well I never knew that. I know you can be charged with child abuse for crimes committed abroad and assumed it would be the same sort of thing.

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[Carew]

IIRC (from memory) They were not charged because their regular checking ruled out 'Intent to Abandon' which is a necessary criterium to prove 'neglect'.

This seems to imply that the situation itself;  the risks, the age of the infants; the unlocked doors intended to enable Madeleine to get out at night and find her parents are irrelevant as long as the abandonment was not "permanent."

[Mr Gray]

Social workers in child care are currently dealing with a Tsunami of referrals following the Baby P case- referrals are up by 100%, many of them defensive and time consuming but not actionable.

 whats happened is that now far more professionals are having to undergo safeguarding training and are duty bound to report any suspicions, causing a tsunami of referrals

[Mr Gray]

This seems to imply that the situation itself;  the risks, the age of the infants; the unlocked doors intended to enable Madeleine to get out at night and find her parents are irrelevant as long as the abandonment was not "permanent."

 Portuguese law

[BigFatBlonde]

Social workers in child care are currently dealing with a Tsunami of referrals following the Baby P case- referrals are up by 100%, many of them defensive and time consuming but not actionable.

I'm meeting with the child protective services team on wednesday next week so I'll ask them if this is what they have experienced.

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[Aiofe]

Well I never knew that. I know you can be charged with child abuse for crimes committed abroad and assumed it would be the same sort of thing.

N

The law was especially expanded to include sex crimes against minors because of the Thai and other child sex trade. Neglect abroad cannot be prosecuted in England.

[Mr Gray]

It really gets my goat when people rehash items to abuse the McCanns with that were proven to be false years ago.

It takes a special sort of person to enjoy regurgitating falsehoods in an attempt to defend their own indefensible psoitions and to find weapons to wound the McCanns with.

I guess one can divide up the world into those Bright, Cheerful people who are able to accept that cases run their course and the application of the law has little to do with the, and sad obsessed peopl who believe that they have some real standing in the Mccann case and have a right to libel, abuse and harass a family who have apparently broken no laws at all.

It just pisses me off.

I don't much like the McCanns or their habits, but I know that I have no real input into their lives.

People here just get their jollies by cyber bullying.

I am not Pro McCann, just anti cretinous bullies.

 What a wonderful post

[sadie]

Are you sure you know child care law. If you did you would know that they could not be charged with neglect in England for something that happened abroad.

Quite right.  And they wouldn't have been anyhow, because it was standard practice at Pontins /Butlins and at hotels to listen check every half hour.

THe Mccanns checking arrangements far exceeded that.  They VISUALLY checked every half hour and Matt also listening checkedm but that was extra to the listening checks and not instead of one of them


The Mccanns made a mistake, a very understandable one cos they were like in their back garden and only 50 crow flies metres away. 

But then they behaved in an examplorary manner visually checking every half an hour.  Better than thousands, nay millions, of peoples checks around the hotels of the world.



Examplorary after the first very understandable mistake

[Aiofe]

This seems to imply that the situation itself;  the risks, the age of the infants; the unlocked doors intended to enable Madeleine to get out at night and find her parents are irrelevant as long as the abandonment was not "permanent."

That is what the word abandonment means and what the law states in Portugal. They do not have neglect on their criminal statute, but in their administrative Law.

[Aiofe]

whats happened is that now far more professionals are having to undergo safeguarding training and are duty bound to report any suspicions, causing a tsunami of referrals

Professionals have had to have such training for over two decades. The recent increase is due to the fallout from the Baby P case.

[CPN]

Oh dear - how indeed do people like to misunderstand.  So last post

I am also aware of UK law. I was giving my feelings on the situation, and what would have been looked at as the relevant aspects.  And pointing out as I have many times before that prosecution is not the only response to neglect (of any kind) so the fact that the McCanns were not prosecuted does not mean that leaving the children in that way was OK.

As for

Aiofe


Nothing rude about what Aoife wrote, just FACT .... and a hint of exasperation, that the facts are being ignored.  Continually ignored.

Nothing rude at all.

 

Maybe not to you.....

[Carew]

Portuguese law

I wonder if there are ever any prosecutions then ?

From this it seems that anything goes as long as the intention is to return to the child eventually.

It certainly seems to cover a broad spectrum!