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Offline BigFatBlonde

Re: Has the McCann's Actions Turned a Supportive Public Against Them ?
« Reply #210 on: November 09, 2013, 12:53:41 PM »

Happy birthday Blonde     8@??)( 8@??)( 8@??)(

Thank you, if only I were 21 again ....

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Has the McCann's Actions Turned a Supportive Public Against Them ?
« Reply #211 on: November 09, 2013, 12:57:59 PM »
Thank you, if only I were 21 again ....


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Offline faithlilly

Re: Has the McCann's Actions Turned a Supportive Public Against Them ?
« Reply #212 on: November 09, 2013, 12:58:40 PM »
That did make me smile - and it's my birthday too!

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Happy Birthday BFB. Hope it's a good one !
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Re: Has the McCann's Actions Turned a Supportive Public Against Them ?
« Reply #213 on: November 09, 2013, 12:59:15 PM »
Please define 'professional' so I can make you look even more foolish than you already do.

thanks

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A member of a professional organisation- a qualified person in one of the professions, teacher, doctor, nurse, social worker etc. It is laid down in Government advice which professional and administrative staff need to go.

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Has the McCann's Actions Turned a Supportive Public Against Them ?
« Reply #214 on: November 09, 2013, 01:00:24 PM »
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Re: Has the McCann's Actions Turned a Supportive Public Against Them ?
« Reply #215 on: November 09, 2013, 01:07:35 PM »
Thank you, if only I were 21 again ....
It likely would be boring. Rather the unexpected.. Happy Birthday !

Offline BigFatBlonde

Re: Has the McCann's Actions Turned a Supportive Public Against Them ?
« Reply #216 on: November 09, 2013, 02:51:18 PM »
A member of a professional organisation- a qualified person in one of the professions, teacher, doctor, nurse, social worker etc. It is laid down in Government advice which professional and administrative staff need to go.

go where? none of the above have any specific legal requirement to report safeguarding issues other than doctor and nurse.

Try reading the 2004 (or 2008 amendments)  children's act, rather than 'advice', as to who has legal responsibility for child and adult safeguarding.

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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Has the McCann's Actions Turned a Supportive Public Against Them ?
« Reply #217 on: November 09, 2013, 02:55:02 PM »
go where? none of the above have any specific legal requirement to report safeguarding issues other than doctor and nurse.

Try reading the 2004 (or 2008 amendments)  children's act, rather than 'advice', as to who has legal responsibility for child and adult safeguarding.

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they may not have a legal requirement but many do have a professional requirement and failure to act could be deemed gross professional misconduct and loss of registration

Offline BigFatBlonde

Re: Has the McCann's Actions Turned a Supportive Public Against Them ?
« Reply #218 on: November 09, 2013, 02:56:08 PM »
they may not have a legal requirement but many do have a professional requirement and failure to act could be deemed gross professional misconduct and loss of registration

Correct

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Aiofe

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Re: Has the McCann's Actions Turned a Supportive Public Against Them ?
« Reply #219 on: November 09, 2013, 04:08:28 PM »
go where? none of the above have any specific legal requirement to report safeguarding issues other than doctor and nurse.

Try reading the 2004 (or 2008 amendments)  children's act, rather than 'advice', as to who has legal responsibility for child and adult safeguarding.

N

There is no Legal requirement, merely a professional one. And an employment one as each hospital, school etc must have a reporting policy.

It is not a criminal offence to fail to report, but a civil infraction of administrative law:



"In England, government guidance Working together to safeguard children (DCSF, 2010) states that  “Everybody who works or has contact with children, parents and other adults in contact with children should be able to recognise, and know how to act upon, evidence that a child’s health or development is or may be being impaired – especially when they are suffering, or likely to suffer, significant harm.”(Para 5.8).

Para 5.12 goes on to say that “All staff members who have or become aware of concerns about the safety or welfare of a child or children should know:

who to contact in what circumstances, and how; and

when and how to make a referral to local authority children’s social care services or the police.”
If there are any child welfare concerns “relevant information about the child and family should be discussed with a manager, or a named or designated health professional or a designated member of staff depending on the organisational setting."(Para 5.13).2

The guidance makes clear reference to the duty to act on any child welfare concerns in para 5.18: “If somebody believes or suspects that a child may be suffering, or is likely to suffer, significant harm then s/he should always refer his or her concerns to the local authority children’s social care services. In addition to social care, the police and the NSPCC have powers to intervene in these circumstances.”


http://www.nspcc.org.uk/inform/research/questions/reporting_child_abuse_wda74908.html


If, as you claim, you work with child protection, you are in need of a course on the Law.

I do know as I used to be a level two trainer in the 90s.

Aiofe

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Re: Has the McCann's Actions Turned a Supportive Public Against Them ?
« Reply #220 on: November 09, 2013, 04:09:39 PM »
go where? none of the above have any specific legal requirement to report safeguarding issues other than doctor and nurse.

Try reading the 2004 (or 2008 amendments)  children's act, rather than 'advice', as to who has legal responsibility for child and adult safeguarding.

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Cite please for where Doctors and Nurses have a different legal position to Teachers or Administrators.

Offline BigFatBlonde

Re: Has the McCann's Actions Turned a Supportive Public Against Them ?
« Reply #221 on: November 09, 2013, 04:13:24 PM »
Cite please for where Doctors and Nurses have a different legal position to Teachers or Administrators.

As I said earlier - try reading the 2004 children's act. It's all in there. And some medical/educational professionals DO have a legal responsibility to act - so your'e wrong on that one too.

Still it was over 20 years ago when you were a 'level 2' trainer so you could be forgiven if you weren't so egotistical.

And where have I said I work with child protection? I certainly don't do that for a living.

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Aiofe

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Re: Has the McCann's Actions Turned a Supportive Public Against Them ?
« Reply #222 on: November 09, 2013, 04:21:19 PM »
As I said earlier - try reading the 2004 children's act. It's all in there. And some medical/educational professionals DO have a legal responsibility to act - so your'e wrong on that one too.

Still it was over 20 years ago when you were a 'level 2' trainer so you could be forgiven if you weren't so egotistical.

And where have I said I work with child protection? I certainly don't do that for a living.

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You are just getting confused.

First it is The Children Act, not the children's act.

Secondly I have not said that there is a legal requirement to report for anyone under the criminal law- that is currently being discussed. I am not aware how Doctors and Nurses differ in their responsibilities to report- perhaps you can show where this is legislated for.

It was not over 20 years ago, and I followed the passage of the 2004 and 2008 Acts as I write on the subject. I do not use them every day, but I am fascinated to see you try to make your statements stand up.

Give it a try.

Offline BigFatBlonde

Re: Has the McCann's Actions Turned a Supportive Public Against Them ?
« Reply #223 on: November 09, 2013, 04:23:11 PM »
As you write on them, you shouldn't have to read the act where it states such. But hey ho there you go.

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Aiofe

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Re: Has the McCann's Actions Turned a Supportive Public Against Them ?
« Reply #224 on: November 09, 2013, 04:24:04 PM »
As you write on them, you shouldn't have to read the act where it states such. But hey ho there you go.

N

No rational response then

Where does it specify the duties of Doctors and Nurses?