Bamber case on ITV Tonight Programme 29th March 2012

[puglove]

I think the writing has been on the wall for a long time now, Agnes - I doubt if the last few die-hards will change their minds. They'll just keep on keeping on, endlessly re-hashing. I'm not really suprised that bamber has cut them loose.

[Claudia]

He would appear to have ostracised Mike T by the looks of things following his ali bongo and agent z mischief on the forum.  Jeremy was concerned for Tesko's mental health and his ability to make proper judgements in the case. By the looks of it his concerns were warranted.   And it was going so well at one stage for them all.  Shame   

[John]

Mark Williams-Thomas made a very bad mistake at 6.00 in the film when he stated that Sheila Caffell had been killed by two shotgun wounds to her throat when we know that there were no shotgun cartridges fired that morning at the farmhouse and the only gun which was fired was a Anschütz .22 calibre semi-automatic rifle.

I cannot believe that in such a program about a real life murder that an experienced former detective could have made such an obvious error.  Do they not check these documentaries before they transmit them? 

Very poor show ITV1. 


Jeremy Bamber - the New Evidence video

[Admin]

Mark Williams-Thomas made a very bad mistake at 6.00 in the film when he stated that Sheila Caffell had been killed by two shotgun wounds to her throat when we know that there were no shotgun cartridges fired that morning at the farmhouse and the only gun which was fired was a Anschütz .22 calibre semi-automatic rifle.

I cannot believe that in such a program about a real life murder that an experienced former detective could have made such an obvious error.  Do they not check these documentaries before they transmit them? 

Very poor show ITV1. 


Jeremy Bamber - the New Evidence video

FYI   We have asked Mr Williams-Thomas for an explanation for this so we will post his response when it arrives.

Just to update you on the questions we asked Simon McKay last week about the case, lets say we are not surprised that he has chosen to not reply.  Says it all really!

[Milly]

Mark Williams-Thomas made a very bad mistake at 6.00 in the film when he stated that Sheila Caffell had been killed by two shotgun wounds to her throat when we know that there were no shotgun cartridges fired that morning at the farmhouse and the only gun which was fired was a Anschütz .22 calibre semi-automatic rifle.

I cannot believe that in such a program about a real life murder that an experienced former detective could have made such an obvious error.  Do they not check these documentaries before they transmit them? 

Very poor show ITV1. 


Jeremy Bamber - the New Evidence video

I find myself asking the question what was the intention of the tonight program?   If it was intended as a serious attempt to look at the Jeremy Bamber conviction then I think it failed terribly.  IMO passing on the information that the CCRC decision would be made in April was a breach of legal etiquette as far as McKay was concerned and quite extraordinary.  His gun ho approach to law is somewhat bizarre.

[Admin]

Watch the Tonight Programme now on YouTube...

Just ignore the wrongly convicted propaganda!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_i2CjYDJGTo

[puglove]

the documentary just didn't cut it, none of it was striking or memorable. it won't have helped Bamber in the slightest way. I don't think he's going anywhere, and no more money should be wasted on him. He's had his chance.

[John]

the documentary just didn't cut it, none of it was striking or memorable. it won't have helped Bamber in the slightest way. I don't think he's going anywhere, and no more money should be wasted on him. He's had his chance.

Indeed Oakley.  A bit of an own goal for Simon McKay me thinks!   

I must have watched it about 20 times over the last few days in order to copy the script and get screen shots and the more I do the less I am impressed with any of it.  The story line was appalling and I see that Mark Williams-Thomas hasn't answered the criticism about saying that Sheila was shot twice by shotgun.  The most notable part of the whole video is at the very end where David Boutflour comments that it must end now!   

[abs]

Watch the Tonight Programme now on YouTube...

Just ignore the wrongly convicted propaganda!

Part I

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THANKS!!  Now I can finally see it!

[Angelo222]

The vast majority of viewers won't know that they have been suckered.  It just goes to show that if a national company like ITV can broadcast erroneous information in this case how many of their other programs in the case are similarly flawed.  In my opinion we should write to the ITV and demand they correct the basic errors they made in the film.

[John]

The vast majority of viewers won't know that they have been suckered.  It just goes to show that if a national company like ITV can broadcast erroneous information in this case how many of their other programs in the case are similarly flawed.  In my opinion we should write to the ITV and demand they correct the basic errors they made in the film.

That is an excellent suggestion Dave.  ITV should be left in no doubt that their programme was tainted wit errors.  They might think that they can get away with this in some drama but in a true life situation such errors are so unprofessional.

Maybe admin can start a Twitter campaign to highlight the flaws in the Tonight programme?

[puglove]

The vast majority of viewers won't know that they have been suckered.  It just goes to show that if a national company like ITV can broadcast erroneous information in this case how many of their other programs in the case are similarly flawed.  In my opinion we should write to the ITV and demand they correct the basic errors they made in the film.

I might be wrong, but is thick, dead pigs hide the same as human skin?

[John]

The vast majority of viewers won't know that they have been suckered.  It just goes to show that if a national company like ITV can broadcast erroneous information in this case how many of their other programs in the case are similarly flawed.  In my opinion we should write to the ITV and demand they correct the basic errors they made in the film.

I might be wrong, but is thick, dead pigs hide the same as human skin?

You are right of course, it is not the same.  In fact dead pig skin will behave or react differently from live pig skin.  I wonder is McKay trying to prove that Sheila was shot the second time after she was already dead because that is what he has done.  Has he in fact scored an OWN GOAL ??????

[Angelo222]

The vast majority of viewers won't know that they have been suckered.  It just goes to show that if a national company like ITV can broadcast erroneous information in this case how many of their other programs in the case are similarly flawed.  In my opinion we should write to the ITV and demand they correct the basic errors they made in the film.

I might be wrong, but is thick, dead pigs hide the same as human skin?

You are right of course, it is not the same.  In fact dead pig skin will behave or react differently from live pig skin.  I wonder is McKay trying to prove that Sheila was shot the second time after she was already dead because that is what he has done.  Has he in fact scored an OWN GOAL ??????

Well spotted guys.  So what Simon McKay has actually proven is that Sheila may have been shot when she was dead.   I would love to see Tesko and Roach try to explain that one.  I cannot believe he could have been so stupid as to not have seen that for himself.  They do say justice is blind.

[Angelo222]

The vast majority of viewers won't know that they have been suckered.  It just goes to show that if a national company like ITV can broadcast erroneous information in this case how many of their other programs in the case are similarly flawed.  In my opinion we should write to the ITV and demand they correct the basic errors they made in the film.

That is an excellent suggestion Dave.  ITV should be left in no doubt that their programme was tainted wit errors.  They might think that they can get away with this in some drama but in a true life situation such errors are so unprofessional.

Maybe admin can start a Twitter campaign to highlight the flaws in the Tonight programme?

I feel that it is to important to let slide.  Mark Williams Thomas clearly stated in the film that Sheila was shot twice in the throat with a shotgun.  This was an unforgivable error to make in such a program which was broadcast to some 8 million viewers.  ITV should come out and explain why they allowed such a mistake to have been made.  Were the lab tests they arranged just as incompetent?