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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Jeremy Bamber - The three burn marks on Nevill's back
« Reply #60 on: February 25, 2014, 11:20:52 AM »
The location and nature of the marks makes them irrelevant to the murders.  There was no way to assess when or how they got there.  Because they were on the back, even if they were made during the murders they are of no value of explaining any detail of importance.  The wounds to his arms were defensive wounds which is significant in establishing he was still conscious at the time and defending himself.  The linear wounds are consistent with being struck by the rifle as he blocked with his hands.  The blows to his head would have rendered him unconscous and are what broke the stock.  The punches to his face would have been delivered face to face and thus would have resulted in evidence being left on the killer in some fashion and relate to the strength of the killer and height etc. 

The wounds to the back do not tell us anythign significant about the murders or who could have committed them. That is why they were ignored at trial and ignored in discussions about the case.

We don't know when they were made or what made them and will never know.  Evne if we were to somehow find out it would not help provide any evidence of who committed the murders or significantly change how the killings went down.  The location, nature and sheer uncertainty as to when they were inflicted makes them a red herring.

If you want to build a case you stick with the main issues proving the main actions of the killer that resulte din death.  If you want to attack a case you attack those pillars proving guilt. When you can't then you resort to red herrings instead hoping to deflect attention from the pillars or lack thereof.

It is a waste of time for us to ponder these marks because:

1) We have no way of ever knowing whether they were pre murder or not
2) no way of knowing if they were scabs or what the nature was because the skin wasn't tested in detail to assess so no way of ever knowing what made the marks
3) the location and nature even if inflicted during the murders doesn't have any way to impact our understanding of who committed the crimes.  There are wounds that offer interpretative clues but these are not among those

Our speculation about the marks thus would be a total waste of time.
 

Scipio if I want to ponder the burn marks I will do so.  I do not need you telling me what I can and can't do.  HOW VERY DARE YOU!  It's not a mandatory requirement that you have to respond to each and every one of my posts.  If you don't see the relevance in what I am posting then ignore it.  I look at the case from many, many different perspectives.  Furthermore I did not start the thread and other posters have contributed to it too so why single me out and accuse me of all sorts eg resorting to red herrings and deflecting attention?

As far as I am concerned the only "total waste of time" is reading your lengthy, wordy, samey and boring posts!   You sound like a person possessed. This forum is for debate.  Lighten up.  Nothing you or I say will make the slightest difference to JB's conviction in the 'real' world.  We could just as easily be playing online poker and it would have the same effect on JB's conviction ie ZERO! 
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Outlook

Re: Jeremy Bamber - The three burn marks on Nevill's back
« Reply #61 on: February 25, 2014, 01:21:05 PM »
Scipio if I want to ponder the burn marks I will do so.  I do not need you telling me what I can and can't do.  HOW VERY DARE YOU!  It's not a mandatory requirement that you have to respond to each and every one of my posts.  If you don't see the relevance in what I am posting then ignore it.  I look at the case from many, many different perspectives.  Furthermore I did not start the thread and other posters have contributed to it too so why single me out and accuse me of all sorts eg resorting to red herrings and deflecting attention?

As far as I am concerned the only "total waste of time" is reading your lengthy, wordy, samey and boring posts!   You sound like a person possessed. This forum is for debate.  Lighten up.  Nothing you or I say will make the slightest difference to JB's conviction in the 'real' world.  We could just as easily be playing online poker and it would have the same effect on JB's conviction ie ZERO!
I think there is only one obsessive around here.

But yes you are right, nothing will make any difference to JBs rightful confession.  He is guilty as charged and proved and hopefully will die soon in jail either by his own cowardly hands or maybe some old lag will do him favour and finish him off.  They do not like child murderers in jail and execute them at the first reasonable opportunity.

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Jeremy Bamber - The three burn marks on Nevill's back
« Reply #62 on: February 25, 2014, 01:43:42 PM »
I think there is only one obsessive around here.

But yes you are right, nothing will make any difference to JBs rightful confession.  He is guilty as charged and proved and hopefully will die soon in jail either by his own cowardly hands or maybe some old lag will do him favour and finish him off.  They do not like child murderers in jail and execute them at the first reasonable opportunity.

 8(0(* 

I've had a look at the pathologist's report again and I was wrong he does in fact go into detail re size etc but I think if they were fresh wounds he would refer to them simply as 'burns' and not 'burn marks'?
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Andrea

Re: Jeremy Bamber - The three burn marks on Nevill's back
« Reply #63 on: February 25, 2014, 07:29:35 PM »
Supporters can ponder this and that until the Cows come home, theyre wasting their time

The picture of Sheila is the strongest evidence. Holly, do you really think she caused all that and not have a single mark on her? Not to mention anyone elses blood. I mean really?




Offline scipio_usmc

Re: Jeremy Bamber - The three burn marks on Nevill's back
« Reply #64 on: February 25, 2014, 08:27:24 PM »
Supporters can ponder this and that until the Cows come home, theyre wasting their time

The picture of Sheila is the strongest evidence. Holly, do you really think she caused all that and not have a single mark on her? Not to mention anyone elses blood. I mean really?

I don't think Holly believes the things she asserts and will give an example to establish why I think she doesn't actually believe it.

Holly insists it is unlikely Sheila would have damaged her nails because nails are storng and she keeps trying to keep the nail issue about only the loading of the magazine.  But there is far more that is important. The killer had a major scuffle with Nevill.  She tries to dismiss this and pretend the scuffle never occurred by ignoring the evidence and saying he was passed out and Sheila simply beat his lifeless body.  It makes no sense to severely beat a lifeless body but if she had done so she still would have likely broken a nail while pummeling him and in fact receives abrasions to her hands not just nail damage. It took alot of force to break the stock of the rifle and it broke in a location where the killer's hand sat. Holly says she doesn't believe the killer had to exert much effort because he was passed out and that since he was limp there didn't have to be any damage recived by her.  Also that she cleaned up afterwards so that is how all the blood and gunshot residue and lead were removed from her body. 

Holly makes excuse after excuse which demonstrates her trying to make up things not demonstrating sincere belief.  She can't make up things which make the entire episode explainable.  For instance we are told that in a crazy rage it owuld be possible for her to beat Nevill in that manner but we are not allowed to bring up the crazy episode when it comes to her suggestion that Sheila washed up and changed her clothes and put the supporessor away. We ar enot allowed to join any issues.  Holly can't deal with issues that relate together.  Holly wants us to deal with 1 issue all alone in isolation because she could make up something to potentially deal with a single issue in isolation but not the entire fact pattern.     

What I see is someone trying to convince others of Jeremy's innocence while believing he is actually guilty.  What her motivation is though I can't venture a guess. I see the same of many people on the JB website. I think more of them are interested in hurting the government and police credibility than with helping Bamber.  Some are fools actually falling for the deceptive claims made by JB proponents.  Holly doesn't appear to be a dumb sheep though she appears to be actively thinking up excuses and fishing for more.


She says it is possible
“...there are three classes of intellects: one which comprehends by itself; another which appreciates what others comprehend; and a third which neither comprehends by itself nor by the showing of others; the first is the most excellent, the second is good, the third is useless.”  Niccolò Machiavelli

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Jeremy Bamber - The three burn marks on Nevill's back
« Reply #65 on: February 26, 2014, 08:37:56 AM »
Ponder all you want but it is a waste of time. 

As for your animosity towards me it seems that I interfere with your agenda.  Very true you have no ability to help free Bamber but you do have the ability to misinform people about the case and try to get them to believe he is innocent.  The fact I am able to expose all your claims as bunk disturbs you tremendously.  You have no way to refute my evidence so cry foul that I am posting.

I have no problem with you trying to prove me wrong in fact I welcome it because a full debate provides a great way to test all the various claims of both sides.  So I welcome a rebuttal to my points about the crucial issues in the case.  You took your ball and went home though rather than continue. That's your prerogative.  Ponder the marks all you want it will lead no where and there will never be any way to establish a thing from them including what they were made by and whether these were scabs that predated the murders or not.   


I don't believe the marks were caused on the night of the tragedies.  The pathologist doesn't make ref to them in his report where he is asked specifically what other injuries NB sustained other than gunshot wounds.  It is also clear from his reports that he makes ref to all sorts of things that clearly have no relevance to the murders eg with regard to SC nicotine stains on her fingers, the fact she was menstruating and had an iud fitted, scars from breast implants.  If I am correct this begs the question why JB's current defence team are investigating this?  See ITV docu from 2012.  Also if the wounds are old then might JB have known about them and in which case why is he allowing the defence to pursue this?  It also shows how information produced by professionals can be very easily misinterpreted by lay people.  Comb Over has suggested that the rifle was heated up and applied to NB to establish whether or not he was dead.  Others on Blue have suggested a religious connotation and witchcraft.   

I think in an indirect way much can be learned about the case from the burn marks  8(0(*

 

« Last Edit: February 27, 2014, 02:56:12 PM by Mr Moderator »
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline John

Re: Jeremy Bamber - The three burn marks on Nevill's back
« Reply #66 on: February 26, 2014, 09:26:38 AM »
I don't understand your logic Holly.  You say you don't believe the burn marks were caused on the night of the tragedy but then you state that much can be learned from them. I don't follow? 
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Jeremy Bamber - The three burn marks on Nevill's back
« Reply #67 on: February 26, 2014, 09:26:54 AM »

Supporters can ponder this and that until the Cows come home, theyre wasting their time

The picture of Sheila is the strongest evidence. Holly, do you really think she caused all that and not have a single mark on her? Not to mention anyone elses blood. I mean really?

Hi Andrea  8((()*/

Yes I do.  I think 1 adult with a loaded firearm v 2 adults unarmed will have the upper hand despite the physique and gender of those involved.

June and Nevill were both so badly injured in the bedroom that they were incapable of putting up any sort of defence imo.  Many of NB's injuries eg bruising were as a result of gunshot wounds.  As I understand it a gunshot wound doesn't just leave a neat wound it causes damage and bruising to the surrounding area.  The pathologist states that other than gunshot wounds he sustained injuries to his head and arm.  These wounds could easily be applied once poor NB was dead or nearly dead and slumped in the chair.

It seems likely that the rifle rained down on NB and it could be that the stock detached then when it either hit NB or just about anything that was in its path if it was waved about.

JB didn't have any marks on him either.  As we know JM continued to sleep with JB for a month or so after the murders so surely as part of her testimony she would have said if he had any marks on his body?  He had no visible marks to his face or hands either.  Of course if JB he might have worn protection eg balaclava, glasses and gloves.  As I said I think anyone could have carried out the murders and walked away physically unscathed: 1 adult with a loaded firearm v 2 adults unarmed.

If SC I believe she showered, possibly washing her hair, and changing her clothes.  Prof Knight at trial spoke about going about mundane task eg cleaning up afterwards.  Sad case here where a father murdered his wife and two sons.  He then took his own life but between the murders and suicide he spent the next 24 hours in the family home even washing the car.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2072921/Pudsey-family-murder-suicide-Was-killer-father-Richard-Smith-having-affair.html



Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline puglove

Re: Jeremy Bamber - The three burn marks on Nevill's back
« Reply #68 on: February 26, 2014, 09:52:54 AM »
Hi Andrea  8((()*/

Yes I do.  I think 1 adult with a loaded firearm v 2 adults unarmed will have the upper hand despite the physique and gender of those involved.

June and Nevill were both so badly injured in the bedroom that they were incapable of putting up any sort of defence imo.  Many of NB's injuries eg bruising were as a result of gunshot wounds.  As I understand it a gunshot wound doesn't just leave a neat wound it causes damage and bruising to the surrounding area.  The pathologist states that other than gunshot wounds he sustained injuries to his head and arm.  These wounds could easily be applied once poor NB was dead or nearly dead and slumped in the chair.

It seems likely that the rifle rained down on NB and it could be that the stock detached then when it either hit NB or just about anything that was in its path if it was waved about.

JB didn't have any marks on him either.  As we know JM continued to sleep with JB for a month or so after the murders so surely as part of her testimony she would have said if he had any marks on his body?  He had no visible marks to his face or hands either.  Of course if JB he might have worn protection eg balaclava, glasses and gloves.  As I said I think anyone could have carried out the murders and walked away physically unscathed: 1 adult with a loaded firearm v 2 adults unarmed.

If SC I believe she showered, possibly washing her hair, and changing her clothes.  Prof Knight at trial spoke about going about mundane task eg cleaning up afterwards.  Sad case here where a father murdered his wife and two sons.  He then took his own life but between the murders and suicide he spent the next 24 hours in the family home even washing the car.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2072921/Pudsey-family-murder-suicide-Was-killer-father-Richard-Smith-having-affair.html

Sheila must have worn gloves then, Holl, because there were no fingerprints.
Jeremy Bamber kicked Mike Tesko in the fanny.

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Jeremy Bamber - The three burn marks on Nevill's back
« Reply #69 on: February 26, 2014, 10:12:44 AM »
I don't understand your logic Holly.  You say you don't believe the burn marks were caused on the night of the tragedy but then you state that much can be learned from them. I don't follow?

You keep overlooking the fact that I'm female! 

As I said indirectly not directly ie inability of laypeople to read/interpret documents produced by professionals.  When I say laypeople I don't just mean the likes of us but anyone who isn't qualified in the profession of the person producing the information eg imo Simon Mckay and Comb Over have misunderstood the pathologist's report re the burn marks hence their endeavours re the testing (see ITV docu below).  I don't believe that they are deliberately trying to pull a fast one. 

I also believe that the trial judge misunderstood the blood evidence and as a result misled the jury.

Just about everyone on Blue and Red believes that the burn marks were caused on the night of the tragedies.  I think Colley had her doubts.

You're probably thinking I sound arrogant?...No not really it is a well known fact that adoptees develop high levels of observation from growing up in an environment alien to their genes...seriously...its true...

About 17.0 min in the prog discusses the burns!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_i2CjYDJGTo

One thing that concerns me though is assuming I'm correct and the burn marks were not inflicted on the night of the tragedies but perhaps from NB's back injury he sustained in a plane crash or removal of skin cancer would JB have known about this?  If yes why did he allow the testing to go ahead?   8)-)))



Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline scipio_usmc

Re: Jeremy Bamber - The three burn marks on Nevill's back
« Reply #70 on: February 26, 2014, 04:49:22 PM »
Hi Andrea  8((()*/

Yes I do.  I think 1 adult with a loaded firearm v 2 adults unarmed will have the upper hand despite the physique and gender of those involved.

June and Nevill were both so badly injured in the bedroom that they were incapable of putting up any sort of defence imo.  Many of NB's injuries eg bruising were as a result of gunshot wounds.  As I understand it a gunshot wound doesn't just leave a neat wound it causes damage and bruising to the surrounding area.  The pathologist states that other than gunshot wounds he sustained injuries to his head and arm.  These wounds could easily be applied once poor NB was dead or nearly dead and slumped in the chair.

It seems likely that the rifle rained down on NB and it could be that the stock detached then when it either hit NB or just about anything that was in its path if it was waved about.

JB didn't have any marks on him either.  As we know JM continued to sleep with JB for a month or so after the murders so surely as part of her testimony she would have said if he had any marks on his body?  He had no visible marks to his face or hands either.  Of course if JB he might have worn protection eg balaclava, glasses and gloves.  As I said I think anyone could have carried out the murders and walked away physically unscathed: 1 adult with a loaded firearm v 2 adults unarmed.

If SC I believe she showered, possibly washing her hair, and changing her clothes.  Prof Knight at trial spoke about going about mundane task eg cleaning up afterwards.  Sad case here where a father murdered his wife and two sons.  He then took his own life but between the murders and suicide he spent the next 24 hours in the family home even washing the car.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2072921/Pudsey-family-murder-suicide-Was-killer-father-Richard-Smith-having-affair.html

Your agenda is to assert JB is innocent even though the evidence says otherwise and you intentionally distort in order to advance your agenda.

JB wasn't tested by police for gunshot residue. Nor was he thoroughly examined on the day of the murders or ever.  One witness claimed he saw abrasions on Jeremy but it was not followed up throughly and they had time to heal anyway.  Jeremy also could have used gloves.  Under these conditions you have no basis at all to claim Jeremy definitely was evidence free.  Moreover, if anyone would wash up it would be Jeremy since he survived and left the scene.  You are intentionally distorting in claiming he was definitely wound free and evidence free on the night of the murders.  The fact he wasn't tested means it can't be proved either way whether he was or wasn't.

Sheila didn't have the opportunity for her wounds to heal before her body was examined.  Nor would a person in a crazy rage determined to killself after killing her family have any reason to wear gloves to protect her hands from wounds and evidence nor would she have an opportunity to dispose of the gloves so they would not be discovered.  Nor would she have a motive to take a bath to wash away evidence and to change her clothes so she would have no evidence on her or to put the suppressor away. Only a killer in full control of his/her faculties who had no intention of killing himself/herself and didn't want anyone to find out he/she was involved in the murders would wear gloves, wash up afterwards and change their clothing.

Bullets can't have caused the injuries on Nevill's arm they were defensive wounds. A bullet to the jaw that goes down to the throat not up to the brain doesn't break a nose.  The killer delivered these wounds and the wounds to Nevill's head by punching and bludgeoning him. Your claim that Holly would beat a lifeless body makes no sense. At any rate his arm was clearly blocking the blows he was not passed out. Severely beating a lifeless body woudl still result in broken nails and abrasions to the hands anyway.  Someone grasping a rifle tightly to bash a body with it is going to break long nails as it strikes. Moreover you are ignoring the evidence of the scuffle- things broken, knocked over and the scratches from the silencer which were not linear scratches but zigzaged as they fought over the rifle.   

If Nevill were so weak he never would have made it to the kitchen at all. In the meantime the 4 wounds delivered  to Nevill were NOT severe enough to make him pass out unless he bled for a very long time.  A couple of minutes would not be long enough to make him simply pass out. Only the final shots in the kitchen were severe enough.  If Nevill had been injured so severely he quickly passed out he could not have dialed the phone as Jeremy asserted.  In fact he can't have spoken due to his wound.

You can't have your cake and eat it too. Either Nevill was strong enough to dial the phone upon entering the kitchen and to defend himself or not strong enough to do either.  The defensive wounds that you want to pretend were caused by bullets were in fact caused by blows and indicate he did defend himself.

The best way to embarrass you is to present the version you keep putting forth which makes no sense, is contradicted by the evidence, if patently absurd on its face and is made up by you PURELY to come up with a way to suggest Sheila could be the killer.  Instead of following the evidence you made up nonsense.

Holly's narrative of the murders:

Jeremy visited the house and left the murder weapon, sans suppressor, on the kitchen table with a loaded magazine next to it.  June and Nevill left the gun on the table despite the kids being around and set the table for breakfast around the rifle. Sheila was calm at around 9PM but by 3AM had became agitated and had a psychotic episode while everyone was sleeping.  She had not taken any narcotics that would bring this on her medication simply stopped working suddenly. Sheila went downstairs and found the rifle on the table. She loaded it and then went in the closet and got the suppressor and attached it.  Sheila then went upstairs and woke up her parents screaming at them.  Instead of trying to disarm Sheila before she could shoot anyone, Nevill calls Jeremy to ask him to come help disarm her. Despite the fact Nevill was 6'4" versus Sheila at 5'7", had almost 100 pounds on her and was in good health he called to ask Jeremy to come disarm her, risking the chance of her shooting him and the others before Jeremy could arrive instead of disarming her himself.

Either the phone had been in the bedroom when he made this call and after the murders Sheila relocated it to the kitchen and took the receiver off the hook so the dead victims could not answer the phone if someone called or in the alternative Sheila had moved the phone to the kitchen earlier that day so that it could not be used by the victims because Sheila knew she would have a murderous psychotic episode that night and after Sheila threatened them Nevill went downstairs and made the call but she knocked the phone out of his hands and ordered him back upstairs to his bedroom and he complied without trying to disarm her.

Once they were back in the master bedroom Sheila then proceeded to shoot June and Nevill.  Nevill ran back downstairs to the kitchen again and she followed.  He collapsed in the kitchen even though the medical examiner said it would take a long time before he would pass out. She shot him in the head killing him then flung the rifle around a his lifeless body. Instead of holding it tightly and striking with it in that manner which would break her nails, she flung it repeatedly at him then went and picked it up and flung it some more and this is how the stock broke. 

Then she went back upstairs and finished off June and killed her kids.  Next she took the suppressor off and went downstairs and put it back in the closet so no one woudl know she used it in the commission of the crime.  Then she took a shower to wash off all the evidence she had fired a weapon and committed the murders.  Then changed into a fresh nightgown because the one she wore during the murders had gunshot residue on it and possibly blood.  Somehow she disposed of it without anyone ever finding it only her panties that she had soaking because she menstruated in them.  Instead of putting on new panties she goes without because she was still on her period and didn't want to ruin another pair even though she was going to then kill herself.  Even though she heard Nevill call Jeremy she somehow knew Jeremy would not come over right away or call police right away so she had plenty of time to shower up and change. After making herself fully clean and presentable she killed herself. 

I think I explained the folly in this narrative sufficiently that I don't need to take it apart again point by point. Instead I will let Peter Sellers respond to you:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3pr2cUC2Aw

 
« Last Edit: February 26, 2014, 06:01:57 PM by scipio_usmc »
“...there are three classes of intellects: one which comprehends by itself; another which appreciates what others comprehend; and a third which neither comprehends by itself nor by the showing of others; the first is the most excellent, the second is good, the third is useless.”  Niccolò Machiavelli

Offline scipio_usmc

Re: Jeremy Bamber - The three burn marks on Nevill's back
« Reply #71 on: February 26, 2014, 05:00:53 PM »
I believe she showered, possibly washing her hair, and changing her clothes.  Prof Knight at trial spoke about going about mundane task eg cleaning up afterwards.  Sad case here where a father murdered his wife and two sons.  He then took his own life but between the murders and suicide he spent the next 24 hours in the family home even washing the car.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2072921/Pudsey-family-murder-suicide-Was-killer-father-Richard-Smith-having-affair.html

As usual you post preliminary information instead of the real story.

He didn't wash the car after killing the family he did so before.  He didn't kill himself 24 hours after killing them, the family was dead 24 hours before they were found.  He was depressed by the loss of a baby and decided to kill himself and his family.  He stabbed everyone including himself, set the house on fire and then got into bed with them and hugged them.  One of the kids did not die from the stab wound he died from smoke inhalation like his father.     

Those who clean up after murders do so with the intention of getting away with the murders.  If cleaning up is still not enough and they have no way to frame the murders on someone else and are about the get caught that is when you see a suicide subsequent to murders that was not originally intended.

 
http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2012/oct/08/man-murders-family-kills-himself
« Last Edit: February 27, 2014, 04:07:29 PM by scipio_usmc »
“...there are three classes of intellects: one which comprehends by itself; another which appreciates what others comprehend; and a third which neither comprehends by itself nor by the showing of others; the first is the most excellent, the second is good, the third is useless.”  Niccolò Machiavelli

Offline Lindyhop

Re: Jeremy Bamber - The three burn marks on Nevill's back
« Reply #72 on: February 26, 2014, 05:53:08 PM »
Holly's narrative of the murders:

Jeremy visited the house and left the murder weapon, sans suppressor, on the kitchen table with a loaded magazine next to it.  June and Nevill left the gun on the table despite the kids being around and set the table for breakfast around the rifle. Sheila was calm at around 9PM but by 3AM had became agitated and had a psychotic episode while everyone was sleeping.  She had not taken any narcotics that would bring this on her medication simply stopped working suddenly. Sheila went downstairs and found the rifle on the table. She loaded it and then went in the closet and got the suppressor and attached it. 

I got this far and had to stop as it is such a ridiculous scenario. No wonder no-one bought it (apart from 2 of the jury - did they spend the trial half-asleep?) and he is where he belongs - in jail for life. Can't wait to read about his death in prison, confirming that life really meant life in this case.

I just don't understand what drives his apologists. Someone who shoots his mother through her eyes in cold blood and shoots his 2 nephews just for money deserves nothing but contempt and derision. That some sad women worship him to the extent that they write to him in prison and go from forum to forum defending his honour is frankly mind boggling.

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Jeremy Bamber - The three burn marks on Nevill's back
« Reply #73 on: February 27, 2014, 01:12:38 PM »
I got this far and had to stop as it is such a ridiculous scenario. No wonder no-one bought it (apart from 2 of the jury - did they spend the trial half-asleep?) and he is where he belongs - in jail for life. Can't wait to read about his death in prison, confirming that life really meant life in this case.

I just don't understand what drives his apologists. Someone who shoots his mother through her eyes in cold blood and shoots his 2 nephews just for money deserves nothing but contempt and derision. That some sad women worship him to the extent that they write to him in prison and go from forum to forum defending his honour is frankly mind boggling.

Good grief that could be me  8-)(--)  Oh I see you have used the words "sad" and "worship" phew...

Why do you have difficulty accepting the fact that I have simply arrived at a different conclusion from yours and others based on my interpretation/perception of all the available information?  I am not an apologist for JB at all as I believe he is the victim of a MoJ.  And I have already stated that IF JB is guilty as charged then as far as I am concerned in his case life should mean life.  My mind is always open.

MoJ's do occur.  How many thought Stefan Kiszko was innocent?  Not the appeal court judges first time around that's for sure.  And YET in the end it was proved 100% he was innocent and the perpetrator, Ronald Castree, was eventually caught and charged using DNA evidence.

 
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Mr Moderator

Re: Jeremy Bamber - The three burn marks on Nevill's back
« Reply #74 on: February 27, 2014, 02:51:17 PM »
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