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Offline scipio_usmc

Re: Jeremy Bamber - The three burn marks on Nevill's back
« Reply #75 on: February 27, 2014, 06:00:36 PM »
Good grief that could be me  8-)(--)  Oh I see you have used the words "sad" and "worship" phew...

Why do you have difficulty accepting the fact that I have simply arrived at a different conclusion from yours and others based on my interpretation/perception of all the available information?  I am not an apologist for JB at all as I believe he is the victim of a MoJ.  And I have already stated that IF JB is guilty as charged then as far as I am concerned in his case life should mean life.  My mind is always open.

MoJ's do occur.  How many thought Stefan Kiszko was innocent?  Not the appeal court judges first time around that's for sure.  And YET in the end it was proved 100% he was innocent and the perpetrator, Ronald Castree, was eventually caught and charged using DNA evidence.

You didn't interpret anything differently, you chose to intentionally change facts to suit your agenda.  The medical examiner said that the wounds to Nevill's left (elbow and shoulder) were minor.  The most severe shot he suffered upstairs was the one that shattered his jaw. These wounds would take a long time before he would pass out. That is why Nevill had no problem running downstairs to the kitchen with these wounds. Both sides conceded there was a major struggle in the kitchen. Since you recognize that 5'7" skinny Sheila would have difficulty overpowering a fit 6'4" man who outweighed her by nearly 100 pounds at all let alone to do so without receiving a scratch in the process you consciously decide to ignore the evidence that this struggle occurred and say it didn't. How are you following the evidence when you simply are intentionally ignoring it? 

The following narrative is not supported by the evidence but rather was entirely made up by you as a way to claim that Sheila did it, "Nevill was so weak from all his wounds he passed out upon entering the kitchen" [your supposed evidentiary basis is that if his 4 wounds were left untreated and no one did anything to stop the bleeding from these wounds then EVENTUALLY he would have passed out from blood loss and bled to death. The relevant issue is whether he would have been weak and passed out 1-2 minutes after being shot not an hour later. The medical examiner said these woulds were not severe enough to incapacitate him right away.  So he wasn't dragged to the kitchen he had every ability to walk there under his own power and to engage in the struggle that the evidence says occurred.] "Then Sheila beat his lifeless body striking his arms, chest, face and head. Because he was lifeless she was able to beat his body without damaging herself in any way and she flung the rifle around as opposed to wielding it and that is how the stock broke"  [your evidentiary basis for this is what?  Well she suffered no wounds and you want to believe she did it so in your eyes that means making up that she repeatedly threw the gun at a lifeless body because if she actually struck him with her hands or held the gun while beating him with it then she would have received some kind of wound. So you say she threw it around and this is how it broke without harming her.  You completely ignore the evidence of the thinks knocked over in th ekitchen as well as the marks that were made by the silencer as the parties wrestled over the gun.  The reason why the scratches zigzag all around is because one person pulled one way while the other pulled a different way.]

Your claim she would beat a lifeless body is ridiculous. Why would she beat his arm in particular?  His arm was clearly wounded as he raised it to block the blocks she was delivering. Even if he had been passed out it still would have resulted in her receiving injuries anyway hence your suggestion she threw the rifle around at him and this is how it broke as opposed to breaking in he rhands.  Your claim she would repeatedly throw a rifle at a lifeless body is even more ridiculous than the claim she would beat a lifeless body.

So your explanation for her having no abrasions or scratches of any kind and no broken nails is that there was no scuffle and she simply repeatedly threw the rifle at a nonmoving body. What about your explanation as to how she could shoot the gun 25 times and get no gunshot residue on her body and clothing and no blood from the victims on her body not even her bare feet?

You suggest that after she killed everyone else she took a bath and changed her clothes.  Supposedly she was aware that Nevill had called Jeremy and he could be there any minute but she decided she had plenty of time to take a bath and change her clothes even washing her hair so the gun shot residue would not be in her hair. She cleaned herself so thoroughly that she was able to fire 2 shots into herself wihtout any residue being deposted on her from these shots though she was hugging the rifle to fire. What evidence was there that she took a bath and changed her clothes?  None.  Why would she do so?  What motivation would she have?  None.  Can you come up with any examples of killers decided to kill themselves and their family who killed the family, took a bath and then immediately killed themselves? No because it makes no sense.  You claimed there are people who go about their ordinary life after committing murders who later end up committing suicide.  You said you gave an example of this with a guy who washed his car after murdering his family.  In fact the guy washed the car before.  He stabbed his family and himself and then set the house on fire.  2 of the victims died before the fire was set but he and one of his sons died from smoke inhalation.  He didn't wash himself or his car after murdering them he killed himself right away. 

The only examples out there are people of people who committed murderedsuicide who bathed before commiting suicide ar epeople who initially planned to commitmurde rbut not suicide as well.  They planned to escape liability so washed and acted as if nothing had happened.  After being cornered by authorities that is when they committed suicide rather than be prosecuted and go to jail. Your fantasy acoc..t is entirely made up by you not based on any evidence.

The defense including those supporting his latest appeal argued that it was June and Nevill's blood in the suppressor.  They admit the suppressor was used in the murders. They simply deny that there is evidence to prove it was used when Sheila was shot. Back in 1986 their own expert analyzed it and found blood on 7 ballfles but none beyond. That blood came back as Sheila's blood group.  The expert came to the same conclusion as the prosecution expert. If complete mixing had not occurred than potentially it was June and Nevill's blood mixed together but there was only a very slight chance of this it was most likely Sheila's.  The pattern was not idicative of blood being simply dripped in which would likely go from end to end but instead was consistent with spray becaus eit shot up into the baffles instead of dripping down the middle.  Both sides agreed it was either Sheila's or June and Nevill's blood because the gun was not used to shoot any people prior to these murders let alone to shoot someone with the same blood groups as any of these victims.

This is very damaging because Jeremy insists he left the gun out without a suppressor.  It means that Sheila would have had to go seek out the suppressor, install it prior to the murders and then to put it away after killing everyone else but before shooting herself.  To go get it and install it contradicts the notion that she was in th emiddle of a psychotic episode and simply found the gun on the table and grabbed it.  It shows making preparations and full understanding of what was going on. Going downstairs to put it away afterwards and then go back upstairs to shoot herself makes no sense at all.  There is only one reason to do that- so no one who finds the bodies would know it had been used to commit the crimes.  The only reason someone would do that is if they planned to leave the scene and escape liabiliy. Since this is so damaging how do you respond?     

You ignore the defenses own expert who said the blood was back spatter that sprayed into the silencer when it was pressed against a victim and suggest that Jeremy's cousin somehow knew he shared the same blood type as Sheila, cut himself and planted his own blood in the silencer and he also scraped the silencer against the mantle shelf to frame Jeremy. You are not following the evidence you are intentionally ignoring the evidence and making up anything you can think of to try to suggest Jeremy is innocent.

You also ignore all the evidence of preplanning with respect to the phone.  Prior to committing the murders the killer made sure the bedroom phone was relocated to the kitchen. The killer unplugged the kitchen phone, hid it and then plugged the bedroom phone in the kitchen.  Who would do such a thing?  Only a killer who intended to prevent the victims from identifying the killer to anyone would do that because the killer intended to try to escape liability.  A crazy person bent on killing herself after everyone else would not be worried about her identity being revealed and would not even think up to do that in advance. Sheila spoke to her aunt at 9PM and was not in an agitated state.     

You ignore this issue completely and just pretend there is nothing wrong with assuming she preplanned even though this is not consistent with the claim she had a psychotic episode in the middle of the night.  There is no evidence she preplanned anything especially not preplanning to kill everyone else and then start a new life on her own. You also intentionally ignore that Nevill was shot before he could have used the phone and therefore would have been unable to speak.  You suggest the following absurd scenario:

Sheila had a psychotic episode and went and woke up her parents.  Rather than disarm her before she could do any harm, Nevill went downstairs to use the kitchen phone to call Jeremy and asked him to come disarm her even though Nevill had 7 inches and almost 100 pounds on Sheila.  Sheila knocked the phone out of his hands and ordered him upstairs into the master bedroom.  For some reason June didn't bother to move. He complied then she began shooting June and Nevill.  June was immobilized but Nevill was't so he ran back downa into the kitchen and then passed out. She beat his limp body, shot him to death then went upstairs to finish off her mother and children.

Why would she not open fire in the bedroom the initial time she went in to wake them?  Why wouldn't she shoot him in the kitchen as he was on the phone? She is supposedly in a crazy rage, why would she march him back upstairs into the bedroom before opening fire? This suggests a rational execution not a crazy rage.  This stopry is not supported by anything, It conflicts with the very claims made of her being in a crazy rage.  It was invented SOLELY to find a way to claim Nevill phoned Jeremy before SHeila opened fire because if she had shot Nevill before the call then:

1) Neville would have gotten blood on the phone
2) Neville would not have been able to speak because his jaw was shattered and voicebox damage
3) If Neville could talk by some miracle he would say Sheila shot him and his wife send medical help and in fact under these conditions would have called 999 to request medical help not to call his son who could do nothing for them and certainly couldn't keep it in the family under these conditions.   

There is no evidence you are following to reach your conclusions.  You decided that you will ignore all the evidence proving beyond a reasonable doubt that Jeremy is guilty and insist he is innocent.  Everything you do to try to justify your position involves you dismissing the evidence by making up nonsense that could explain how Sheila could have done it and yet there would be no physical evidence to establish she did it.

only 1 of the 2 people who could have committed the murders:

had a reason to remove the phone from the bedroom prior to the murders

had a reason to put the silencer away afterwards

had enough time to wash up and change clothes after the murders

had a motive to wash up and change clothes after the murders 

was not inspected for wounds of gunshot residue after the murders

That person is Jeremy.

This doesn't even take into account how Jeremy called to wake his girlfriend before calling the police. Why would he wake her up to say something might be happening at the house instead of finding out what if anything happened before waking her?  His action makes no sense and her account is that he told her his family was killed. She testified that before this he spoke about plotting to kill them and that his chance was when all were staying together under the same roof.  If his nephews were not there then they would get Sheila's half of the estate he needed them all dead to get everything.   

Her account is bolstered because instead of going there like a normal person would, Jeremy called her and then the police. He would not even go over after calling police he insisted they pick him up but they refused to he sat in his car, waited for them to pass him and then followed them there.  Instead of being concerned enough to go investigate he was more concerned with police seeing that he arrived after them.  Why was he so concerned with police seeing that he wasn't there before them?  He could have safely sat outside the house spying before police arrived but chose not to do so because he didn't want them to know he was only 3 minutes away from their house. Upon arriving he lied to police telling them she fired every gun in the house and was proficient with them?  Why did he lie?  He conceded at trial he never saw her fire any gun as an adult.  The guns in the house were all obtained while she was an adult so base don his own testomony he never saw her fire any of them.  So why did he lie to police?  He wanted police to believe she was capable of using the murder weapon and killed everyone. That is the only possible reason for his lie.

You intentionally choose to ignore all the evidence because for some odd reason you have decided to claim he is innocent and you well know the evidence is against you so you make up outrageous things to suggest he is innocent. That is the bottom line.       
“...there are three classes of intellects: one which comprehends by itself; another which appreciates what others comprehend; and a third which neither comprehends by itself nor by the showing of others; the first is the most excellent, the second is good, the third is useless.”  Niccolò Machiavelli

Offline Myster

Re: Jeremy Bamber - The three burn marks on Nevill's back
« Reply #76 on: February 27, 2014, 06:14:59 PM »
@ Holly.

Burn marks heal over time and don't remain dark in colour. Skin tissue is constantly shed and the layer you have today will be different to the one you have next week or next month. How many years since the plane crash ?   Peter Vanezis must have regarded them as recent or they wouldn't have been noted on the report.  How many burn marks do you think he would have seen in his years as a doctor and pathologist ?

Somebody on Bamber's support team seized on it, and the "Gun Forced into back ?" comment, (whoever wrote that), then thought it was a good idea to waste thousands on fruitless pigskin tests, which were rightly rejected by the CCRC, because analysis of photographs isn't a reliable substitute for actual examination of the skin of a cadaver.

It's called "scraping the barrel"... and it wasn't the barrel of the Anschutz.

« Last Edit: February 27, 2014, 06:22:43 PM by Myster »
It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Jeremy Bamber - The three burn marks on Nevill's back
« Reply #77 on: February 27, 2014, 06:33:41 PM »
@ Holly.

Burn marks heal over time and don't remain dark in colour. Skin tissue is constantly shed and the layer you have today will be different to the one you have next week or next month. How many years since the plane crash ?   Peter Vanezis must have regarded them as recent or they wouldn't have been noted on the report.  How many burn marks do you think he would have seen in his years as a doctor and pathologist ?

Somebody on Bamber's support team seized on it, and the "Gun Forced into back ?" comment, (whoever wrote that), then thought it was a good idea to waste thousands on fruitless pigskin tests, which were rightly rejected by the CCRC, because analysis of photographs isn't a reliable substitute for actual examination of the skin of a cadaver.

It's called "scraping the barrel"... and it wasn't the barrel of the Anschutz.



I disagree.  He makes ref to Sheila's stretch marks which occurred when she gave birth to the twins in 1979. 

Can you explain if they were relevant to 7th Aug why he doesn't make ref to them when asked what other injuries NB sustained other than gunshot?

I am not saying they were def caused by back injury in plane crash just a thought but to my mind it is obvious they are not relevant to 7th Aug.
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Jeremy Bamber - The three burn marks on Nevill's back
« Reply #78 on: February 27, 2014, 06:42:44 PM »
@ Holly.

Burn marks heal over time and don't remain dark in colour. Skin tissue is constantly shed and the layer you have today will be different to the one you have next week or next month. How many years since the plane crash ?   Peter Vanezis must have regarded them as recent or they wouldn't have been noted on the report.  How many burn marks do you think he would have seen in his years as a doctor and pathologist ?

Somebody on Bamber's support team seized on it, and the "Gun Forced into back ?" comment, (whoever wrote that), then thought it was a good idea to waste thousands on fruitless pigskin tests, which were rightly rejected by the CCRC, because analysis of photographs isn't a reliable substitute for actual examination of the skin of a cadaver.

It's called "scraping the barrel"... and it wasn't the barrel of the Anschutz.



Here is the stat which refers to Sheila's stretch marks.  These  were not recent (some 6 years old) and yet he noted them. 

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=199.0;attach=670



Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Myster

Re: Jeremy Bamber - The three burn marks on Nevill's back
« Reply #79 on: February 27, 2014, 07:10:21 PM »
I disagree.  He makes ref to Sheila's stretch marks which occurred when she gave birth to the twins in 1979. 

Can you explain if they were relevant to 7th Aug why he doesn't make ref to them when asked what other injuries NB sustained other than gunshot?

I am not saying they were def caused by back injury in plane crash just a thought but to my mind it is obvious they are not relevant to 7th Aug.
Yes, I have read through the report again, but old stretch marks aren't the same as new burns.

Peter Vanezis obviously didn't know how they were caused which is why he was non-committal, and left it to the police to figure it out, but as I said, if they had been old burns any sign of them would have disappeared years ago. Perhaps that comment was written by one of the police investigation team but never followed up, because all the other injuries sustained were of far greater relevance.
It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.

Offline scipio_usmc

Re: Jeremy Bamber - The three burn marks on Nevill's back
« Reply #80 on: February 27, 2014, 07:18:02 PM »
Holly that is not what a burn scar looks like.  The wound clearly was recent.  It can't be some wound from a distant point in the past it was a scab.  Because of the pictures are not great we can't see if they are really burns or not. Burns you can actually see where the existing skin is outside but the inside skin missing like you can with a blister almost.

What it from a day or 2 before the murders or during the murders?  That kind of thing we can never know for sure because there are so many different possibilities of how they got there and whether they really were burn marks or the examiner just said 3 marks that appear to be burn marks because their resemblance to cigarette burns.

The location of these marks is being ignored in claiming they were marks made to prod Nevill. Given Sheila's height if she were prodding him with the rifle she would do so in his lower back.  The gun would have to be angled significantly to prod him by hitting him that high up.  The gun barrel would not hit flush in that case so the shape would be elliptical or worse not round. In the meantime it would be more of a glancing shot she would not be able to actually push him.  You need to hit flush more around the middle to be able to give a good shove.

Given Jeremy's height he would have a much better chance of prodding Nevill at the height required fo rht emarks to be circular. They still would not be burn marks though, force would cause the marks from such prodding not heat. If heat caused it then the front sight would also be evidence in the skin and short of manually heating the gun it is not going to get hot enough to burn to any significant extent.   

If these marks were made during the murders then they either were made while the killer was not standing upright or when the victim fell against something. Just prodding him with the gun is an unlikely to cause 1 let alone 3 wounds that high up.  He was found bent over the chair.  Maybe the killer wanted to make sure he was dead and not faking and thus struck him at that point in time where he would have been in easy position to hit in that location or even could have burned him with someone thing make sure he didn't scream or move.

Since the killer removed the silencer and could have gashed his back to make sure he was dead after putting the silencer away this in no way proves he was shot sans silencer even if the marks definitely had been made by a rifle. You need to look for bullet wounds made without a silencer to prove a silencer was not used to shoot him.     

“...there are three classes of intellects: one which comprehends by itself; another which appreciates what others comprehend; and a third which neither comprehends by itself nor by the showing of others; the first is the most excellent, the second is good, the third is useless.”  Niccolò Machiavelli

Offline Myster

Re: Jeremy Bamber - The three burn marks on Nevill's back
« Reply #81 on: February 27, 2014, 07:35:17 PM »

Burn Marks or something else ?


It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Jeremy Bamber - The three burn marks on Nevill's back
« Reply #82 on: February 27, 2014, 07:39:29 PM »
Yes, I have read through the report again, but old stretch marks aren't the same as new burns.

Peter Vanezis obviously didn't know how they were caused which is why he was non-committal, and left it to the police to figure it out, but as I said, if they had been old burns any sign of them would have disappeared years ago. Perhaps that comment was written by one of the police investigation team but never followed up, because all the other injuries sustained were of far greater relevance.

The words you use above "new burns" are yours.  Peter Vanezis does not refer to them as "new burns".  He refers to them as "burn marks". 

When PV compiled two additional reports to the autopsies he was asked about other injuries sustained by NB other than gunshot wounds and he makes no ref to the burn marks.

IMO the burn marks are very old injuries and completely irrelevant to 7th August hence he refers to them as "burn marks" and not "burns".
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Jeremy Bamber - The three burn marks on Nevill's back
« Reply #83 on: February 27, 2014, 07:43:57 PM »
Burn Marks or something else ?



I think they are either as a result of NB's plane crash or subsequent treatment (Harrington Rods/Spinal Fusion) or removal of some abnormal skin growth eg cancer.
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Myster

Re: Jeremy Bamber - The three burn marks on Nevill's back
« Reply #84 on: February 27, 2014, 09:05:11 PM »
The words you use above "new burns" are yours.  Peter Vanezis does not refer to them as "new burns".  He refers to them as "burn marks". 

When PV compiled two additional reports to the autopsies he was asked about other injuries sustained by NB other than gunshot wounds and he makes no ref to the burn marks.

IMO the burn marks are very old injuries and completely irrelevant to 7th August hence he refers to them as "burn marks" and not "burns".

Precisely.. which is why he thought they had little or no relevance. So therefore you agree that these have been exploited by his support team with very little result.

The plane crash was during the WWII wasn't it and the marks would not be there in 1985, forty years later.
We don't even know whereabouts on his back he was injured so that's only speculation too.

Burn marks or burns... now this is starting to become pedantic, but we'll agree to disagree.

E-mail or letter Dr. Vanezis to clarify if it concerns you so much and see if he's prepared to give an answer !
It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Jeremy Bamber - The three burn marks on Nevill's back
« Reply #85 on: February 28, 2014, 01:04:08 PM »
Precisely.. which is why he thought they had little or no relevance. So therefore you agree that these have been exploited by his support team with very little result.

The plane crash was during the WWII wasn't it and the marks would not be there in 1985, forty years later.
We don't even know whereabouts on his back he was injured so that's only speculation too.

Burn marks or burns... now this is starting to become pedantic, but we'll agree to disagree.

E-mail or letter Dr. Vanezis to clarify if it concerns you so much and see if he's prepared to give an answer !

Think perhaps other should have done that! It concerns me as follows.

I have retrieved one of my old posts  from Blue (most will be aware that when I first joined I posted under the username Egap1) as follows:

egap1
Guest

Re: More tests needed

« Reply #32 on: April 12, 2012, 11:24:AM »

Quote from: ngb1066 on March 30, 2012, 05:15:PM

He had clearly been subjected to violence which had caused injuries as noted by the pathologist.  I am not aware of any marks of a similar nature to the three burn marks.

My response to NGB below

This is probably a dumb question...were the burn marks definitely new ie not old injuries from Nevill's military days, treatment for skin cancer etc?  I assume the pathologist was able to confirm they were new?

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As you will see I have always had my doubts about the burn marks.  (Note I had no responses to the above!?)  It is only recently having studied the pathology reports very carefully that I am now convinced that the burn marks are old wounds and absolutely nothing to do with 7th Aug whatsoever.  I appreciate this goes against prevailing thought on the matter from both innocent and guilty camps ie as far as I can see I am the only poster that is adamant that the burn marks occurred prior to 7th Aug.  This raises serious questions for me:

1. What is going on with JB's defense?  They are either deliberately misleading or incompetent.

2. Was JB aware of the burn marks ie that they occurred prior to 7th Aug and if so and assuming he was aware what his defense were up to why did he not say? 

3. I accept that JB may not have known about the burn marks but if he does he is letting the defense pursue false trails (sooner or later CCRC, CoA or prosecution would switch on to it) and this raises too many questions for me at this moment in time to continue to post in support of JB. 



   



Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline puglove

Re: Jeremy Bamber - The three burn marks on Nevill's back
« Reply #86 on: February 28, 2014, 01:17:23 PM »
Think perhaps other should have done that! It concerns me as follows.

I have retrieved one of my old posts  from Blue (most will be aware that when I first joined I posted under the username Egap1) as follows:

egap1
Guest

Re: More tests needed

« Reply #32 on: April 12, 2012, 11:24:AM »

Quote from: ngb1066 on March 30, 2012, 05:15:PM

He had clearly been subjected to violence which had caused injuries as noted by the pathologist.  I am not aware of any marks of a similar nature to the three burn marks.

My response to NGB below

This is probably a dumb question...were the burn marks definitely new ie not old injuries from Nevill's military days, treatment for skin cancer etc?  I assume the pathologist was able to confirm they were new?

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As you will see I have always had my doubts about the burn marks.  (Note I had no responses to the above!?)  It is only recently having studied the pathology reports very carefully that I am now convinced that the burn marks are old wounds and absolutely nothing to do with 7th Aug whatsoever.  I appreciate this goes against prevailing thought on the matter from both innocent and guilty camps ie as far as I can see I am the only poster that is adamant that the burn marks occurred prior to 7th Aug.  This raises serious questions for me:

1. What is going on with JB's defense?  They are either deliberately misleading or incompetent.

2. Was JB aware of the burn marks ie that they occurred prior to 7th Aug and if so and assuming he was aware what his defense were up to why did he not say? 

3. I accept that JB may not have known about the burn marks but if he does he is letting the defense pursue false trails (sooner or later CCRC, CoA or prosecution would switch on to it) and this raises too many questions for me at this moment in time to continue to post in support of JB. 



 

It's difficult to analyse those marks from a black and white image, but they are obviously not fresh, and don't particularly look like burns, either, more like moles (sun-damage on the back of the neck?) They are also very small. Complete red herring, waste of time and money.
Jeremy Bamber kicked Mike Tesko in the fanny.

Offline John

Re: Jeremy Bamber - The three burn marks on Nevill's back
« Reply #87 on: February 28, 2014, 01:23:10 PM »
As you and I know were well puglove it isn't hard to get cuts and abrasions while working on a farm.  Quite possibly that is where Nevill got his from.
« Last Edit: February 28, 2014, 01:25:05 PM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline puglove

Re: Jeremy Bamber - The three burn marks on Nevill's back
« Reply #88 on: February 28, 2014, 01:38:58 PM »
As you and I know were well puglove it isn't hard to get cuts and abrasions while working on a farm.  Quite possibly that is where Nevill got his from.

Yes, we've said this before, especially as it was harvest. But, whatever those lesions were, they look pretty old to me.
Jeremy Bamber kicked Mike Tesko in the fanny.

Offline John

Re: Jeremy Bamber - The three burn marks on Nevill's back
« Reply #89 on: March 01, 2014, 12:26:20 PM »
Yes, we've said this before, especially as it was harvest. But, whatever those lesions were, they look pretty old to me.

Had they been fresh there would have been signs of exudate with corresponding smearing around them but nothing like this was apparent from the photographs.

I know I am speculating here but he could have sustained them if pushed against some object possibly following an argument or altercation?  He did confide in a friend that he feared for his safety.
« Last Edit: March 01, 2014, 12:31:00 PM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.