Why didnt the portuguese police arrest the mccanns ... after the dogs findings

[Carana]

I was impressed on Wednesday when I heard the last words of a documentary I had watched once 4 years back and I thought it wasn't useless to display it after all. GA's last words express his conviction that the truth will emerge one day (suggesting that he doesn't hold it). Then a voice off says that for now we only know that a little girl disappeared one night in PDL.

Was that voiceover from Amaral?

[Lyall]

8-)(--) A series of provocative posts followed by a plea to "chill out"?

Interesting approach

[pathfinder73]

If she did die from an accident in the apartment it was probably falling from the sofa. The sofa was pushed back against the wall/window crumpling the curtains. First reports said blood spray re broken larynx.

"An early forensic report is alleged to have mentioned a certain blood spray ... commensurate with a certain type of broken larynx ... some DNA samples found related to cerebral fluids indicates a broken neck or fracture skull". Also "Sousa himself told of this very fine mist of spray that was found in the apartment."

[Carana]

If she did die from an accident in the apartment it was probably falling from the sofa. The sofa was pushed back against the wall/window crumpling the curtains. First reports said blood spray re broken larynx.

"An early forensic report is alleged to have mentioned a certain blood spray ... commensurate with a certain type of broken larynx ... some DNA samples found related to cerebral fluids indicates a broken neck or fracture skull". Also "Sousa himself told of this very fine mist of spray that was found in the apartment."

Have you found anything to substantiate that in the forensic report?

[Mr Gray]

So if an EVRD alerts, that then confirms that the scent they are trained to detect is present at the location they've alerted at ?

 No none on this forum knows the answer to that question. grime does...he said the alerts had no evidential value ...SY say Maddie may still be alive...amarals lawyer says maddie may still be alive

[Carana]

So if an EVRD alerts, that then confirms that the scent they are trained to detect is present at the location they've alerted at ?

Eddie had a range of scents within the accepted parameters of his training. He was the GP.

Keela was trained to only alert to the physical presence of blood. She was the specialist.

[Lyall]

No none on this forum knows the answer to that question. grime does...he said the alerts had no evidential value ...SY say Maddie may still be alive...amarals lawyer says maddie may still be alive

No evidential value, in Portugal and England. But Mr Grime recently gave evidence in a courtroom in a US state where they do have evidential value.

[ferryman]

Dunno.

Is the forensic canine program still going?

[Mr Gray]

No evidential value, in Portugal and England. But Mr Grime recently gave evidence in a courtroom in a US state where they do have evidential value.

 still doesn't answer the question about what the alerts  ACTUALLY PROVE   no one on this forum really knows the answer to that question

[Lyall]

still doesn't answer the question about what the alerts  ACTUALLY PROVE   no one on this forum really knows the answer to that question

At least two US states seem sufficiently satisfied alerts prove the dog did detect what it was trained to do. If they weren't the evidence wouldn't be heard in their courtrooms.

But it is an evolving science, and certainly controversial.

[Mr Gray]

I don't think the alerts in themselves 'prove' anything, they are merely an indication by the trained EVRD that 'evidential' vestiges may possibly retrieved from the location of the alert !

 I agree ..the alerts prove nothing..they show where evidence may be found..no evidence was found

[Lyall]

I agree ..the alerts prove nothing..they show where evidence may be found..no evidence was found

That's your opinion, but those US states made their decisions to allow alerts to be used as evidence in trials because they listened to scientists and experts.

But of course Portugal and England - and other US states - haven't reached the same conclusion yet. It's an evolving science.

[Mr Gray]

That's your opinion, but those US states made their decisions to allow alerts to be used as evidence in trials because they listened to scientists and experts.

But of course Portugal and England - and other US states - haven't reached the same conclusion yet. It's an evolving science.

 What exactly are you saying..you need to be more precise ..alerts to be used as evidence of what...with what reliability

[LagosBen]

I agree ..the alerts prove nothing..they show where evidence may be found..no evidence was found

I really don't comprehend how folks don't get it -Dogs have their uses, but without corroboration their contribution isn't really worth anything. 

[Mr Gray]

I really don't comprehend how folks don't get it -Dogs have their uses, but without corroboration their contribution isn't really worth anything.

 the problem for posters is that amaral thought the dogs proved more...to accept that the dogs alerts prove nothing...destroy amarals credibility