Author Topic: CMTV reconstitutes the Maddie case  (Read 26259 times)

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Offline Carana

Re: CMTV reconstitutes the Maddie case
« Reply #60 on: November 21, 2013, 04:07:53 PM »
IMHO, that is not a reconstruction. A reconstruction would take place at the same time of the day as the event with all of the members of the family, etc.


So why didn't he organise a fuller reconstruction back then?

What did he have in mind that they could have accurately remembered 6 months later that they hadn't at the time?

Offline John

Re: CMTV reconstitutes the Maddie case
« Reply #61 on: November 21, 2013, 07:04:45 PM »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Carana

Re: CMTV reconstitutes the Maddie case
« Reply #62 on: November 21, 2013, 07:55:52 PM »
I really don't understand what he's talking about. Why didn't he get one of his officers to get the till receipts from the Dolphin Kelly's bar, when he knew that that was where they'd said they were at the relevant time back in May 07 and when bar staff might have remembered them?
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Offline pegasus

Re: CMTV reconstitutes the Maddie case
« Reply #63 on: November 21, 2013, 08:40:08 PM »
So why didn't he organise a fuller reconstruction back then?
What did he have in mind that they could have accurately remembered 6 months later that they hadn't at the time?
There are many witnesses who were interviewed a second time. Now it seems to make sense to go through the Kelly till records with them to try to define the time of the sighting more accurately. (IMO this could be done easily by sending one officer over to interview them in Ireland).

Offline Carana

Re: CMTV reconstitutes the Maddie case
« Reply #64 on: November 21, 2013, 09:07:10 PM »
There are many witnesses who were interviewed a second time. Now it seems to make sense to go through the Kelly till records with them to try to define the time of the sighting more accurately. (IMO this could be done easily by sending one officer over to interview them in Ireland).

Now? This was an after-dinner drink in a bar at the beginning of May 2007.

Offline pegasus

Re: CMTV reconstitutes the Maddie case
« Reply #65 on: November 21, 2013, 09:57:24 PM »
PJ did speak to the bar lady, its in the files, she could not remember specific customers.

Offline Carana

Re: CMTV reconstitutes the Maddie case
« Reply #66 on: November 22, 2013, 05:20:30 PM »
PJ did speak to the bar lady, its in the files, she could not remember specific customers.


Do you agree that it would have been a reasonable idea for the police to clarify this back in May 2007?

Offline pegasus

Re: CMTV reconstitutes the Maddie case
« Reply #67 on: November 22, 2013, 06:38:10 PM »
The good PJ diligence in late May 2007 would have been even better if they had tried to pin the exact time better. At the beginning of Oct 2007 Mr Amaral was in the process of arranging for these Irish witnesses to fly back for further interview, but then suddenly he is removed from the case on Tue Oct 2nd 2007. The Irish witnesses would have been back in Portugal and reinterviewed that same week (ending Oct 7th 2007). The blame for that not happening lies entirely with the people who ensured Mr Amaral was removed. Those people delayed the official reinterviewing of the Irish family by 6 whole years. Now hopefully Mr Redwood will do what Mr Amaral was about to do 6 whole years ago.
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Redblossom

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Re: CMTV reconstitutes the Maddie case
« Reply #68 on: November 22, 2013, 08:22:35 PM »

Do you agree that it would have been a reasonable idea for the police to clarify this back in May 2007?

Why? the exact specific time wasnt that important back then, only when M Smith mentioned Gerry Mccann in Sept did it become more important......thats how I understand it.....unless Ive got the wrong end of the stick what is being discussed here

Offline pegasus

Re: CMTV reconstitutes the Maddie case
« Reply #69 on: November 23, 2013, 10:38:45 PM »
Trying to trace what happened to the photofit of Furtive Gate Man which witness CT did in UK in May 2007.
Does anyone know if this photofit attached here is in the PJ files please?

Redblossom

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Re: CMTV reconstitutes the Maddie case
« Reply #70 on: November 23, 2013, 11:19:26 PM »
Trying to trace what happened to the photofit of Furtive Gate Man which witness CT did in UK in May 2007.
Does anyone know if this photofit attached here is in the PJ files please?

Where did you find that? Link pls
I dont recall that from the pj  files...but I might be  corrected!
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Offline pegasus

Re: CMTV reconstitutes the Maddie case
« Reply #71 on: November 23, 2013, 11:28:57 PM »
Where did you find that? Link pls
I dont recall that from the pj  files...but I might be  corrected!
I found that photofit in Sunday Express 8 May 2011.
It is not in the web edition. It is only in the paper edition.

P.S. Sunday Express 22 May 2011 gives the witness originating this photofit, and its clear it was Mrs F's niece.
Just wondering where the Express got it from?
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Redblossom

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Re: CMTV reconstitutes the Maddie case
« Reply #72 on: November 23, 2013, 11:43:22 PM »
I found that photofit in Sunday Express 8 May 2011.
It is not in the web edition. It is only in the paper edition.
i knew his face rang a bell
You mean this article?
Of a man who preyed on boys and always wore a mask???!
so how could anyne identify him?

http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/49may11/EXPRESS1_08_05_2011.htm

That was a pic not a photofit, who created that photofit.....??? are you suggesting carole teamner did?

Eta ok thanks you said u saw it in paper edition.....so no probs still who createdthe bloody efit..did they  say?
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Offline pegasus

Re: CMTV reconstitutes the Maddie case
« Reply #73 on: November 23, 2013, 11:52:09 PM »
The Sunday Express describes which witness produced this photofit, and its clearly CT.
See the 22 May 2011 article at http://www.mccannfiles.com/id369.html
P.S the 8 May article there also at same link
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Redblossom

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Re: CMTV reconstitutes the Maddie case
« Reply #74 on: November 24, 2013, 12:04:30 AM »
The Sunday Express describes which witness produced this photofit, and its clearly CT.
See the 22 May 2011 article at http://www.mccannfiles.com/id369.html
P.S the 8 May article there also at same link


Omg what a load of bollix
Thanks anyway


Kate McCann: How dare they call me cold Sunday Express


By James Murray
Sunday May 22,2011

A DEFIANT Kate McCann yesterday confronted critics who branded her cold and emotionless when she returned to the country where her daughter Madeleine vanished.

As she arrived in the Portuguese capital Lisbon to make her latest ­appeal for information, an angry Kate, 43, asked: "Who can say what the mum of a missing child should look like?

"People can judge however they want but unless you've been in the situation we've been in, it's impossible to know what someone feels. Why do people feel they have the right to judge when this judgment is based on ignorance?"

Kate and her husband Gerry chose not to give a formal press conference to launch her book, Madeleine, in Portugal, preferring to give television interviews.

Their daughter disappeared a few days before her fourth birthday from their holiday apartment in Praia da Luz as they dined with friends in May 2007.

In an interview with the Portuguese magazine Sabado, Kate admitted she still feels guilty when she laughs about something. She said: "I've managed to appreciate life a lot more now. The feeling of guilt has diminished as well.

"We will always regret not having been there to help Madeleine but we cannot change things now.

"I still feel a little guilt when I laugh but not as much as I did. I have learned to accept it's not bad to be happy."

Kate, whose twins Sean and Amelie are now six, added: "They need a happy mummy and Madeleine needs to be able to return to a mummy who's happy as well."

Scotland Yard has announced a review of the Portuguese police investigation following the personal intervention of Prime Minister David Cameron.

Yesterday senior Portuguese police sources claimed key statements and a photo fit of a potential suspect were not passed on by their British counterparts.

Investigations by the Sunday Express suggest there were unexplained breakdowns in the communication, which could have damaged the effort to find Madeleine.

A British man at the tapas bar where the McCanns dined gave a statement saying how he spoke to an English woman who told him she had heard a "breaking noise" about the time that Madeleine was taken.

His statement, however, was not passed to Portuguese police, said Goncalo Amaral, the senior officer who was moved off the investigation for complaining about his British counterparts.

Earlier this month the Sunday Express published a photofit of a man seen acting suspiciously near the McCanns' apartment alongside a photograph of a 40-year-old German youth worker, being held on suspicion of murdering several children across Europe.

Mr Amaral said the first time he was aware of the photofit was when he saw it in the Sunday Express.

Last night he said: "I knew about the statement from the British woman but the photofit was not sent through. I believe it is important that this line of inquiry is investigated."

The woman who drew up the image was a relative of Pamela Fenn, an elderly woman who lived above the McCanns' apartment. She died recently. Her relative said that on the afternoon of the kidnap, she was on the balcony of Mrs Fenn's apartment when she looked down and saw a man pushing a gate to a neighbouring apartment to and fro possibly to find out how much noise it made.

When she realised Madeleine was taken the same evening she gave a statement to British police and helped them compile the  photofit. However, the first time the public was aware of her potentially crucial evidence was its mention in Kate's book.

Speaking to the Sunday Express Mr Amaral said: "I don't think it would be useful to criticise the British detectives but I would be interested to hear why certain material was not sent to Portugal while I was on the case."

Ian Robertson, who has an apartment in the same block, said from his home at Neyland, Pembrokeshire: "There seemed to be a group of local thieves targeting the apartments. I have a theory that they had criminal contacts and that Madeleine might have been stolen to order."

Mr Amaral said: "One of the theories considered was that a thief got into the apartment and something happened with Madeleine. I am sure the review will examine that theory."