Why People who suspect the McCanns get so angry at People who do not.

[Montclair]

No he said he did -



 > In training the dog has accurately  alerted to a 1 cm cube of pork soaked in

 petrol for 1 week and then burnt until only a residue remains.

 
 

Could you please give the reference for this "quote".

All I can say is that those who criticise the dogs would be praising their amazing skills if they had only reacted to Robert Murat's houses, car and other objects relating to him.

[Luz]

It is the people that pretend that they believe the McCann that are aggressive towards those that question the McCann's fairy tale.

We have all seen the Videos, and what a dog's breakfast they were.  Should anyone have had the temerity to produce those in Court.
However, anything is possible in Portugal wherein the lead detective gained a Conviction on a tortured confession.

But this won't ever happen again.  For this we must be truly thankful.

Yes, we have seen all the videos and it was very enlightening how the dogs behaviour was quite positive on their identifications.

In Portugal there are no detectives in Polícia Judiciária, and only the Public Ministry (judge or judges) can charge anyone.

It would be nice for those wanting to keep insulting Portugal and its legal system to inform themselves, at least for not making fools of themselves (or at least not so much).

[ferryman]

No, there's nothing of that kind except in your dreams.

It's all there.

You just need to read the files properly.

[ferryman]

Vol IX p. 2481

FALSE ALERTS

'False' positives are always a possibility; to date Eddie has not so indicated
operationally or in training. In six years of operational deployment in over 200
criminal case searches the dog has never alerted to meat based and
specifically pork foodstuffs designed for human consumption. Similarly the
dog has never alerted to 'road kill', that is any other dead animal.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P9/09_VOLUME_IXa_Page_2481.jpg

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES.htm

Different quote from a different place.

Grime is on record as saying that Eddie was involved in over 200 cases.

The true figure is 37.

[Eleanor]

Until it can be proved otherwise yes I do !

E.T.A. You're forgiven, it would be unchristian of me not to do so !

I am so pleased to hear that, although I am not sure if this has anything to do with Christianity.  I am a Pagan myself, but each to his own.
For me it is all to do with kindness.  Rather be wrong than to accuse without just cause.
You and I might do well under different circumstances.

[Redblossom]

Yet Martin Grimes also said he covered a piece of pork in petrol,  set fire to it and Eddie alerted to it.  In my opinion a piece of pork that has been burnt, would have been cooked.   So don't understand what he is saying.   Does Eddie alert to food stuff or not?

No

Pig meat treated for human consumption is entirely different to decaying pig meat that Eddie was trained on......the 1cm cube training exercise was obviously using the latter, Id imagne for the purposes of detecting totally burnt bodies (not burnt sausages eg)

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/VOLUME_IXprocesso_2266.jpg

If it were not the case Eddie would have reacted to meat based foods all the time, which Mr Grime says does not happen

There Montclair, link......

[ferryman]

No

Pig meat treated for human consumption is entirely different to decaying pig meat that Eddie was trained on......the 1cm cube training exercise was obviously using the latter, Id imagne for the purposes of detecting totally burnt bodies (not burnt sausages eg)

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/VOLUME_IXprocesso_2266.jpg

If it were not the case Eddie would have reacted to meat based foods all the time, which Mr Grime says does not happen

There Montclair, link......

You pay far too much attention to the word of Mr Grime ...

[Redblossom]

Different quote from a different place.

Grime is on record as saying that Eddie was involved in over 200 cases.

The true figure is 37.

What does it matter where its from?
 

Still a quote from him and clearer and more current than his general cv  sent to the PJ.....and still says case searches


Indisputable that it does

[Eleanor]

It is the people that pretend that they believe the McCann that are aggressive towards those that question the McCann's fairy tale.



Yes, we have seen all the videos and it was very enlightening how the dogs behaviour was quite positive on their identifications.

In Portugal there are no detectives in Polícia Judiciária, and only the Public Ministry (judge or judges) can charge anyone.

It would be nice for those wanting to keep insulting Portugal and its legal system to inform themselves, at least for not making fools of themselves (or at least not so much).

No one is insulting the country of Portugal, and probably not The PJ in general.  But there has been much wrong on The Algarve.  That is now quite obvious.

.... moderated ...

[Redblossom]

You pay far too much attention to the word of Mr Grime ...

I know it doesnt suit your agenda that his CV  is kosher.....but you carry on telling porkies, excuse the pun, about him,  as it pleases you so much.....

[Montclair]

No one is insulting the country of Portugal, and probably not The PJ in general.  But there has been much wrong on The Algarve.  That is now quite obvious.

... moderated ...

Perhaps you should refrain from making any comments about the Portuguese judicial system and also the Algarve until you have learned something.

[Eleanor]

I'd doubt it somewhat ! I prefer the company of people who highlight injustice where ever it occurs irregardless of the consequences rather than upsetting the apple cart ! I think you know what I'm referring to !

So accuse anyone no matter what?  How very sad.  I was almost motivated to send you a PM.  But then I have no desire to change your mind.  I just thought briefly that we might have some common ground.

[Eleanor]

Perhaps you should refrain from making any comments about the Portuguese judicial system and also the Algarve until you have learned something.

Perhaps you should mind your own business rather than my opinions of Goncalo Amaral and The Algarve.  I know a bit more of this than you seem to think I do.  Been there and seen what was going on quite some time ago, several times.

But have it your way.  I don't really care.  The McCanns are never going to be indicted.

[stephen25000]

Perhaps you should mind your own business rather than my opinions of Goncalo Amaral and The Algarve.  I know a bit more of this than you seem to think I do.  Been there and seen what was going on quite some time ago, several times.

But have it your way.  I don't really care.  The McCanns are never going to be indicted.

They may never be 'indicted', but they will be remembered for leaving their children  to wine and dine, leaving them totally unprotected.

[Eleanor]

As I said, educate yourself. You only reveal ignorance each time you try to insult Dr. Amaral.

.... moderated ...  None of us hate Portugal.  Some of us even like it.

But never mind.  There won't be any more stitch ups or beatings to gain confessions.  Those days are done.

Such a pity about Madeleine.