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Redblossom

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Front Door to Mccanns Apartment Unlocked....Why?
« on: December 03, 2013, 03:33:23 PM »

Anyone got any ideas? The others locked both front and back doors before going out and leaving the kids inside......


We are told the Mccanns left the patio/back doors closed but not locked and you could enter from outside by just sticking your hand in a slightly ajar space left and pulling them across...this done, according to Gerry Mccann soon after the first few days so as to make the least noise when entering and not waking the kids......

Even though they never considered this a security risk, either for any intruder or for the kids getting out, why the front door as well? When any of the kids could if they woke up, walk straight out of it. So easy to do.

They locked all the doors whilst out during the day, but left them unlocked at night.....this doesnt make sense.....

Also, why does Gerry Mccann say in his statement of 10th May  he doesnt think the front door was locked because they left from the back? Can you not lock those front doors with a key from the outside?

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snippets from statements



 
Sunday night

Gerry 10th May


They left the house through the main door, that he was sure he locked, and the back door was also closed and locked.
<snip>
He is sure that they always entered through the front door, not knowing if they locked it upon leaving

??

Wednesday night

He clarifies that the main door was always closed but not necessarily locked with the key

Regarding Thursday

Gerry 4th May

Thus, at 9.05 pm, the deponent entered the club, using his key, the door being locked,

10th May

Concerning the front door, although he is certain that it was closed, it is unlikely that it was locked, because they left through the back door.

Kate 6 September

 Main door was closed but not locked. She thinks it could be opened from the inside but not from the outside


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AnneGuedes

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Re: Front Door to Mccanns Apartment Unlocked....Why?
« Reply #1 on: December 03, 2013, 05:44:15 PM »
Anyone got any ideas? The others locked both front and back doors before going out and leaving the kids inside......


We are told the Mccanns left the patio/back doors closed but not locked and you could enter from outside by just sticking your hand in a slightly ajar space left and pulling them across...this done, according to Gerry Mccann soon after the first few days so as to make the least noise when entering and not waking the kids......

Even though they never considered this a security risk, either for any intruder or for the kids getting out, why the front door as well? When any of the kids could if they woke up, walk straight out of it. So easy to do.

They locked all the doors whilst out during the day, but left them unlocked at night.....this doesnt make sense.....

Also, why does Gerry Mccann say in his statement of 10th May  he doesnt think the front door was locked because they left from the back? Can you not lock those front doors with a key from the outside?

Yes if course you can even double lock from the inside which would prevent anybody left in the flat to get out without a key.
Since, in day time, Mr McCann took care to lock the door-window after the family went out and before joining them through the car park, it logically seems they thought the kids would frighten away an eventual intruder.
Only Madeleine could get out of her bed. If she had tried to help a twin to get out of its cot, she risked to provoke a dislocated shoulder (painful).

Redblossom

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Re: Front Door to Mccanns Apartment Unlocked....Why?
« Reply #2 on: December 03, 2013, 05:49:24 PM »
Yes if course you can even double lock from the inside which would prevent anybody left in the flat to get out without a key.
Since, in day time, Mr McCann took care to lock the door-window after the family went out and before joining them through the car park, it logically seems they thought the kids would frighten away an eventual intruder.
Only Madeleine could get out of her bed. If she had tried to help a twin to get out of its cot, she risked to provoke a dislocated shoulder (painful).


Thank you!!

PS I thnk 2 and 1/4 yr old  kids are perfectly capable of climbing out of a small travel cot.....

« Last Edit: December 03, 2013, 05:51:20 PM by Redblossom »

Lyall

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Re: Front Door to Mccanns Apartment Unlocked....Why?
« Reply #3 on: December 03, 2013, 06:04:20 PM »
Front door unlocked, and they also say they didn't know if the children's bedroom window was locked or unlocked >@@(*&)

AnneGuedes

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Re: Front Door to Mccanns Apartment Unlocked....Why?
« Reply #4 on: December 03, 2013, 06:09:38 PM »

Thank you!!

PS I thnk 2 and 1/4 yr old  kids are perfectly capable of climbing out of a small travel cot.....
Those were deep ones with no grip to climb out. An acrobatic toddler could perhaps  jump higher and higher and plunge head first like in a mortal salt !

Redblossom

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Re: Front Door to Mccanns Apartment Unlocked....Why?
« Reply #5 on: December 03, 2013, 06:13:37 PM »
Front door unlocked, and they also say they didn't know if the children's bedroom window was locked or unlocked >@@(*&)

I know, you leave your three toddlers alone in a strange place to go out, and dont know, think it likely or unlikely, if the door, windows were locked, unlocked....sense? No.....most normal people would lock the bloody doors and windows, even if only for their kittens....getting out and injuring themselves or getting lost!
« Last Edit: December 03, 2013, 06:17:10 PM by Redblossom »

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Front Door to Mccanns Apartment Unlocked....Why?
« Reply #6 on: December 03, 2013, 06:17:11 PM »
As these statements are not verbatim but translated I think its worthless to try to make sense of them

AnneGuedes

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Re: Front Door to Mccanns Apartment Unlocked....Why?
« Reply #7 on: December 03, 2013, 06:22:57 PM »
I know, you leave your three toddlers alone in a strange place to go out, and dont know, think it likely or unlikely, if the door, windows were locked, unlocked....sense? No.....most normal people would lock the bloody doors and windows, even if only for their kittens....getting out and injuring themselves or getting lost!
My cat fell from the 4th floor and waited petrified for me to come. I had to climb 2 high walls.. When I go out, I close all door-windows. She's free to fall but I want to be home if she does.

Redblossom

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Re: Front Door to Mccanns Apartment Unlocked....Why?
« Reply #8 on: December 03, 2013, 06:25:45 PM »
Those were deep ones with no grip to climb out. An acrobatic toddler could perhaps  jump higher and higher and plunge head first like in a mortal salt !

Ah, you never know with toddlers......cots, travel cots, stair gates, they can be houdinis in a second

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Redblossom

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Re: Front Door to Mccanns Apartment Unlocked....Why?
« Reply #9 on: December 03, 2013, 06:27:53 PM »
My cat fell from the 4th floor and waited petrified for me to come. I had to climb 2 high walls.. When I go out, I close all door-windows. She's free to fall but I want to be home if she does.

You just dont take the risk do you? I mean why the hell would you? JMO
 >@@(*&)

Lyall

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Re: Front Door to Mccanns Apartment Unlocked....Why?
« Reply #10 on: December 03, 2013, 06:29:55 PM »
I know, you leave your three toddlers alone in a strange place to go out, and dont know, think it likely or unlikely, if the door, windows were locked, unlocked....sense? No.....most normal people would lock the bloody doors and windows, even if only for their kittens....getting out and injuring themselves or getting lost!

Kate devotes just three paragraphs in the 400+ page book to this most crucial of issues >@@(*&)

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AnneGuedes

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Re: Front Door to Mccanns Apartment Unlocked....Why?
« Reply #12 on: December 03, 2013, 06:38:41 PM »
As these statements are not verbatim but translated I think its worthless to try to make sense of them
These statements are part of the files, whether you like them or not. The McCanns were told in English what was written, slowly and repeated as many times as they wanted. They weren't forced to sign and could require another translator. They signed.
Are you suggesting they're dumb and would have needed some kind of special treatment ?

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Front Door to Mccanns Apartment Unlocked....Why?
« Reply #13 on: December 03, 2013, 06:43:41 PM »
These statements are part of the files, whether you like them or not. The McCanns were told in English what was written, slowly and repeated as many times as they wanted. They weren't forced to sign and could require another translator. They signed.
Are you suggesting they're dumb and would have needed some kind of special treatment ?

 They were told in English but they have no idea what was written down in Portuguese..no idea whatsoever.... the importance of this is obviously lost on you...legally the statements are totally worthless...they should have at least been recorded...very poor police practice by the pj

AnneGuedes

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Re: Front Door to Mccanns Apartment Unlocked....Why?
« Reply #14 on: December 03, 2013, 06:45:59 PM »