The inspection of the McCann's clothing by dogs Keela and Eddie in the gym.

[slartibartfast]

If you check back on the threads you will locate the video of Eddie rampaging through the villa ~ playing with CC ~ running over beds ~ being directed into and out of wardrobes and sideboards.

The clothing was there ~ CC was there and as stated were then conveyed to two different locations.

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Eddie goes immediately to the lounge. He comes to a stop in front of a wicker armchair on which is lying Madeleine's small pink soft toy,
The soft toy and all the clothes from the house are placed into boxes specially made to preserve evidence.


Therefore three checks were carried out on the clothing.

Can't find anything that suggests checks were performed in the garage.

[Brietta]

Can't find anything that suggests checks were performed in the garage.

May I refer you to a passage in Dr Amaral's book ~

 ~ Quote ~ To avoid contamination of evidence that will be gathered at the McCanns', Mark Harrison has insisted on the availability of decontaminated premises exclusively set aside for this purpose. Julio Barroso, mayor of Lagos, agrees to lend us the garage of a new, unoccupied building in the centre of Lagos. The place is cleaned from top to bottom.
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These objects are then conveyed to the decontaminated premises. They are placed on the ground, a good distance apart for the dogs to examine.
At 8pm, Tavares de Almeida calls me to let me know that Mark Harrison requires another place because this one is not sufficiently clean. ~ end Quote

Dr Amaral makes it clear that these items have been checked on three separate occasions  ~ Eddie only alerting to clothing on the third inspection.

[slartibartfast]

May I refer you to a passage in Dr Amaral's book ~

 ~ Quote ~ To avoid contamination of evidence that will be gathered at the McCanns', Mark Harrison has insisted on the availability of decontaminated premises exclusively set aside for this purpose. Julio Barroso, mayor of Lagos, agrees to lend us the garage of a new, unoccupied building in the centre of Lagos. The place is cleaned from top to bottom.
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These objects are then conveyed to the decontaminated premises. They are placed on the ground, a good distance apart for the dogs to examine.
At 8pm, Tavares de Almeida calls me to let me know that Mark Harrison requires another place because this one is not sufficiently clean. ~ end Quote

Dr Amaral makes it clear that these items have been checked on three separate occasions  ~ Eddie only alerting to clothing on the third inspection.

I refer you to Montclairs post...

The correct translation from Portuguese is "they were to be placed" not "they are placed" (onde seriam colocadas no chão, de forma espaçada....).

This context means they didn't do checks in the garage because it wasn't suitable.

[Brietta]

I refer you to Montclairs post...

This context means they didn't do checks in the garage because it wasn't suitable.

Why are you in such denial over a detail which can mean nothing under any circumstances.  The only evidence provided by the whole episode is of the incompetence with which it was conducted.

Dr Amaral is perfectly clear in stating the clothing was laid out in the garage [the original bone of contention was that there was no garage].
How many "errors in translation" does this book contain?

If the premises were 'unclean' before this was done ~ why didn't he say so then?  IMO this was decided only after the dogs had inspected and found nothing.

IMO ~ three inspections on the clothing were carried out.
The villa.
The garage.
The gymnasium in the sports centre.  Eddie alerted only at the third.

 ~ Quote ~ They are placed on the ground, a good distance apart for the dogs to examine.
At 8pm, Tavares de Almeida calls me to let me know that Mark Harrison requires another place because this one is not sufficiently clean. ~ end Quote

[pathfinder73]

Just overlook the only important point which leaves no doubt where the dogs alerted. Not at Murat's or other apartments. Only one apartment, clothes and car from one family. Any which way you try and twist it the truth doesn't change as it connects to one family.

Some will believe a paedo killed the child in 5A and waited for an hour before leaving. He played games with the checkers by moving doors to confuse them then took a few items of clothes and put them on the cadaver to contaminate them and then thought I will open the noisy shutters and window to confuse them either more now it's time to leave as the mother is coming  8-)(--)

Blaming the paedo is a possible connection that may solve why a death was covered up. An accidental death in 5A and then a post mortem may reveal abuse that child had suffered. If that hypothesis is correct the body had to be removed and paedos blamed in case she was found. That is only one hypothesis to cover up a death. Of course there's more.

[Brietta]

Just overlook the only important point which leaves no doubt where the dogs alerted. Not at Murat's or other apartments. Only one apartment, clothes and car from one family. Any which way you try and twist it the truth doesn't change as it connects to one family.

Some will believe a paedo killed the child in 5A and waited for an hour before leaving. He played games with the checkers by moving doors to confuse them then took a few items of clothes and put them on the cadaver to contaminate them and then thought I will open the noisy shutters and window to confuse them either more now it's time to leave as the mother is coming  8-)(--)

Blaming the paedo is a possible connection that may solve why a death was covered up. An accidental death in 5A and then a post mortem may reveal abuse that child had suffered. If that hypothesis is correct the body had to be removed and paedos blamed in case she was found. That is only one hypothesis to cover up a death. Of course there's more.

When it boils down to it ~ the dogs didn't actually alert to anything pertaining to the McCann family.  I base that statement on analysis of the videos of their activities.
Also that there is absolutely no evidence to support their 'alerts'.

Rationally ~ if your assertion is correct ~ one must accept that of all the premises inspected in PDL ~ not one drop of human blood was spilled, with the exception of apartment 5a and the vehicle hired by the Drs McCann.

Just not possible.

[Montclair]

Why are you in such denial over a detail which can mean nothing under any circumstances.  The only evidence provided by the whole episode is of the incompetence with which it was conducted.

Dr Amaral is perfectly clear in stating the clothing was laid out in the garage [the original bone of contention was that there was no garage].
How many "errors in translation" does this book contain?

If the premises were 'unclean' before this was done ~ why didn't he say so then?  IMO this was decided only after the dogs had inspected and found nothing.

IMO ~ three inspections on the clothing were carried out.
The villa.
The garage.
The gymnasium in the sports centre.  Eddie alerted only at the third.

 ~ Quote ~ They are placed on the ground, a good distance apart for the dogs to examine.
At 8pm, Tavares de Almeida calls me to let me know that Mark Harrison requires another place because this one is not sufficiently clean. ~ end Quote

Did you actually read my post? If you can read Portuguese you will see that the clothes were only inspected once or do you believe Mark Harrison and Martin Grime are corrupt or don't know how to do their work? Are you so desperate that you make up things? If you have proof that the clothes were inspected the other two times, please indicate the references in the police files.

[Carana]

Brietta and Montclair


I think there is an ambiguity in the translation. The translation was from Portuguese to French and the French was then translated into English. There's a thread on that.

The issue is whether the original meant that the clothes were actually laid out in the first location or whether it means that it was where they were to be laid out (i.e., the intention... were intended to be laid out).

[pathfinder73]

When it boils down to it ~ the dogs didn't actually alert to anything pertaining to the McCann family.  I base that statement on analysis of the videos of their activities.
Also that there is absolutely no evidence to support their 'alerts'.

Rationally ~ if your assertion is correct ~ one must accept that of all the premises inspected in PDL ~ not one drop of human blood was spilled, with the exception of apartment 5a and the vehicle hired by the Drs McCann.

Just not possible.

No it is perfectly clear where Eddie barked/alerted for cadaver odour; inside 5A, outside in the garden, on the clothes and coming out of the car which he was chasing in the underground car park.

[Montclair]

Brietta and Montclair


I think there is an ambiguity in the translation. The translation was from Portuguese to French and the French was then translated into English. There's a thread on that.

The issue is whether the original meant that the clothes were actually laid out in the first location or whether it means that it was where they were to be laid out (i.e., the intention... were intended to be laid out).

I can confirm that in the book, the meaning is that the "clothes were to be laid out" but they were not. I think that we can agree that Mark Harrison would never allow the clothes to be laid out before he inspected the premises.

The problem comes from the French version of the book in which the translation to French gives the idea that the clothes were laid out. And then the English version is a translation from the French version, therefore the misunderstanding.

[Carana]

I can confirm that in the book, the meaning is that the "clothes were to be laid out" but they were not. I think that we can agree that Mark Harrison would never allow the clothes to be laid out before he inspected the premises.

The problem comes from the French version of the book in which the translation to French gives the idea that the clothes were laid out. And then the English version is a translation from the French version, therefore the misunderstanding.

I still don't understand whether the use of the conditional tense was deliberate or not. All I was trying to say is that it seems ambiguous. It could have been clarified by a sentence to clearly state that the intended action didn't actually happen. As it stands, it's up in the air as to what actually happened. And the account is rather vague on this point, even in the files...

[jassi]

I've rather lost track of this. Why is it important?

[John]

If you read slightly further down the page Amaral adds...

"The objects are once again laid out on the ground and the dogs can start."

The question should probably not be if they were laid out but how many were laid out before it was stopped?

[Montclair]

If you read slightly further down the page Amaral adds...

"The objects are once again laid out on the ground and the dogs can start."

The question should probably not be if they were laid out but how many were laid out before it was stopped?

Let me clarify this once again: Nothing was laid out on the ground without the authorisation of Mark Harrison and only one inspection took place in the gym in Lagos.

[pegasus]

This is the exact original text Mr Amaral wrote
"com todas as peças de roupa colocadas no chão"

Now here is a correct translation
"with all the items of clothing placed on the floor"

And next is the wrong translation.
"The objects are once again laid out on the ground"

Notice that the incorrect translation has wrongly inserted the words "once again" into the sentence.

The source for the correct original text is: "A Verdade Da Mentira", Chapter 16, Page 172.