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Offline Carana

Re: The inspection of the McCann's clothing by dogs Keela and Eddie in the gym.
« Reply #180 on: May 17, 2014, 07:11:35 PM »
Quote from: Silkywhiskers on May 16, 2014, 11:25:39 PM
Cadaverine does NOT transfer itself.

Cadaverine is particulate, those particles do not "move" of their own free will.

They stay where they are deposited.

There should have been zero alerts. 

How anyone can watch a video of a dog and his handler for 15 minutes, then pronounce what that dog found or alerted to, is beyond me.

I'm not the handler. 

Eddie was NEVER handled by anyone but Grime because ONLY GRIME COULD INTERPRET HIS ALERTS.

The video we see is heavily edited.  The work of Grime and his dogs went on for days not half an hour.

Grime didn't have the notes of which clothes Eddie supposedly reacted to. The PJ did. If Grime had provided an explanation as to why some items were thrown up in the air, but which didn't get a mention in the PJ list, or why some were simply nuzzled, but did... yet the items listed were not consistent with the "alerts" with no explanation. If Grime could have given an explanation, then at least that part of the clothes inspection may appear a little less bizarre.
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Offline Fern

Re: The inspection of the McCann's clothing by dogs Keela and Eddie in the gym.
« Reply #181 on: May 18, 2014, 01:51:06 PM »
I have yet to encounter a credible explanation why Eddie made NO alert to clothes in McCann Villa during August searches and yet once the clothes were removed later on that evening, alerts were made.

That indicates something is not quite right.
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Offline pathfinder73

Re: The inspection of the McCann's clothing by dogs Keela and Eddie in the gym.
« Reply #182 on: May 18, 2014, 01:56:58 PM »
Quote from: Fern on May 18, 2014, 01:51:06 PM
I have yet to encounter a credible explanation why Eddie made NO alert to clothes in McCann Villa during August searches and yet once the clothes were removed later on that evening, alerts were made.

That indicates something is not quite right.

Tell me where those alerted clothes were in the villa when Eddie checked? You don't know.
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Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Fern

Re: The inspection of the McCann's clothing by dogs Keela and Eddie in the gym.
« Reply #183 on: May 18, 2014, 02:29:05 PM »
Quote from: pathfinder73 on May 18, 2014, 01:56:58 PM
Tell me where those alerted clothes were in the villa when Eddie checked? You don't know.

Why is it relevant where the clothes were kept in the villa ?

Based on the extract below from PJ Files, it clearly states that ALL areas were searched.

"On that date, within the context of a residential search, carried out at the McCann couple's current residence, an inspection by a dog handling team was made. Thus, at the time indicated at the beginning of the report, ALL AREAS of the property were inspected"

As I said previously, I have yet to read a credible explanation of why no alerts were made to the clothes whilst they were in the villa.
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ferryman

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Re: The inspection of the McCann's clothing by dogs Keela and Eddie in the gym.
« Reply #184 on: May 18, 2014, 02:51:14 PM »
Quote from: pathfinder73 on May 18, 2014, 01:56:58 PM
Tell me where those alerted clothes were in the villa when Eddie checked? You don't know.

Doesn't matter.

They were in the villa.

If there was a scent, Eddie should have detected it.

From the inspection in the gym, this is how a search should be conducted:

1. Between 23h20 and 23h30 the two dogs were allowed to reconoitre the entire area to guarantee that there were no existing odours - and none were detected by them.

You search for prior scents in a building; then you introduce what ever you want examined.
« Last Edit: May 18, 2014, 03:03:56 PM by ferryman »
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Offline pathfinder73

Re: The inspection of the McCann's clothing by dogs Keela and Eddie in the gym.
« Reply #185 on: June 04, 2014, 01:49:21 AM »
Quote from: sadie on June 04, 2014, 01:12:47 AM
Pegasus.  You have to agree that Eddie was repeatedly cued to the Mccann hire car.

 8-)(--) you really haven't got a clue. Tell me how he cued to alert the clothes?
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Offline Benice

Re: The inspection of the McCann's clothing by dogs Keela and Eddie in the gym.
« Reply #186 on: June 04, 2014, 09:03:37 AM »
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 04, 2014, 01:49:21 AM
8-)(--) you really haven't got a clue. Tell me how he cued to alert the clothes?

Would those be the same clothes which Eddie failed to alert to in the villa?
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The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline Benice

Re: The inspection of the McCann's clothing by dogs Keela and Eddie in the gym.
« Reply #187 on: June 04, 2014, 09:14:38 AM »
Quote from: stephen25000 on June 04, 2014, 09:09:11 AM
Take gerry mccann's advice, and 'ask the dogs'.

Your  usual attempt to deflect is noted.   

Why do you think Eddie failed to alert to all those clothes in the villa which were apparently contaminated with cadaverscent?

Awaits further deflection.
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The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

stephen25000

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Re: The inspection of the McCann's clothing by dogs Keela and Eddie in the gym.
« Reply #188 on: June 04, 2014, 09:32:21 AM »
Quote from: Benice on June 04, 2014, 09:14:38 AM
Your  usual attempt to deflect is noted.   

Why do you think Eddie failed to alert to all those clothes in the villa which were apparently contaminated with cadaverscent?

Awaits further deflection.

I don't pretend to be an expert in the use of dogs.

However, dogs do get distracted by other things around them, don't you agree ?

Are you an expert in dog handling yourself, or merely a keyboard 'expert' such as ferryman pretends to be ?

As for deflection that is precisely why you are on this forum, to deflect attention from ......

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« Last Edit: June 04, 2014, 11:52:56 AM by Angelo222 »
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Offline Benice

Re: The inspection of the McCann's clothing by dogs Keela and Eddie in the gym.
« Reply #189 on: June 04, 2014, 10:12:20 AM »
Quote from: stephen25000 on June 04, 2014, 09:32:21 AM
I don't pretend to be an expert in the use of dogs.

However, dogs do get distracted by other things around them, don't you agree ?

Are you an expert in dog handling yourself, or merely a keyboard 'expert' such as ferryman pretends to be ?

As for deflection that is precisely why you are on this forum, to deflect attention from .......
 >@@(*&)

It was a simple enough question which you don't have to be an expert to ask if you believe what Martin Grime tells us about his dogs' skills.    I do believe him.

Can I take it from your response that you believe that Eddie may have been distracted in the villa - which resulted in his complete failure to alert to several items in there - which he then later did alert to in the Gym?
« Last Edit: June 04, 2014, 11:54:18 AM by Angelo222 »
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The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline pathfinder73

Re: The inspection of the McCann's clothing by dogs Keela and Eddie in the gym.
« Reply #190 on: June 04, 2014, 10:26:31 AM »
Quote from: Benice on June 04, 2014, 10:12:20 AM
It was a simple enough question which you don't have to be an expert to ask if you believe what Martin Grime tells us about his dogs' skills.    I do believe him.

Can I take it from your response that you believe that Eddie may have been distracted in the villa - which resulted in his complete failure to alert to several items in there - which he then later did alert to in the Gym?


Show me where the alerted clothes were in the villa?
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Offline Benice

Re: The inspection of the McCann's clothing by dogs Keela and Eddie in the gym.
« Reply #191 on: June 04, 2014, 10:59:52 AM »
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 04, 2014, 10:26:31 AM

Show me where the alerted clothes were in the villa?

What does it matter.  They were in the villa - and therefore well within the scope of Eddie'skills.
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The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline pathfinder73

Re: The inspection of the McCann's clothing by dogs Keela and Eddie in the gym.
« Reply #192 on: June 04, 2014, 11:17:14 AM »
Quote from: Benice on June 04, 2014, 10:59:52 AM
What does it matter.  They were in the villa - and therefore well within the scope of Eddie'skills.

You don't know that but you keep on saying that it's true. How do I know it's true if you can't show me where the alerted clothes were in the villa that Eddie missed?
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Offline Benice

Re: The inspection of the McCann's clothing by dogs Keela and Eddie in the gym.
« Reply #193 on: June 04, 2014, 11:39:38 AM »
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 04, 2014, 11:17:14 AM
You don't know that but you keep on saying that it's true. How do I know it's true if you can't show me where the alerted clothes were in the villa that Eddie missed?

How could anyone know precisely where different clothing was kept in the villa?   We haven't been told.  I think you are splitting hairs here Pathfinder.   



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The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline Eleanor

Re: The inspection of the McCann's clothing by dogs Keela and Eddie in the gym.
« Reply #194 on: June 04, 2014, 11:43:53 AM »
Quote from: pathfinder73 on June 04, 2014, 11:17:14 AM
You don't know that but you keep on saying that it's true. How do I know it's true if you can't show me where the alerted clothes were in the villa that Eddie missed?

Where do you think the clothes came from.  Do you think someone found them  or dug them up?  Where else could they have come from but the villa?
Perhaps they didn't belong to The McCanns at all.
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