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Offline Albertini

Re: Re: The deployment of the cadaver dogs revisited.
« Reply #45 on: September 03, 2013, 08:58:50 AM »
I knew you wouldn't be intelligent enough to understand/

You didn't disappoint ...

Fairly early in his first report, Harrison spelt out his terms of reference:

This report considers solely the possibility that Madeleine McCann has been murdered and her body is concealed within the areas previously searched by Police in Zone 1 around Praia Da Luz. Other scenarios or possibilities may on request be considered and be subject of a further report.

In a further edit, I will post how he deviated from that ...

Penultimate sentence of Harrison's third and final report:

I am currently of the opinion on the available information and statistical datasets that if death has occurred, that it is possible that Madeleine McCann’s body has been disposed into the sea at Praia da Luz. (See my second report entitled “NPIA OP TASK Search Doc Beach and Marine”).

Amaral's depiction of Harrison's role in the investigation is eye-wash and one of the reasons he is very highly likely to lose the libel trial ...

Nope, i see no evidence of the word "disown".

Offline Albertini

Re: Re: The deployment of the cadaver dogs revisited.
« Reply #46 on: September 03, 2013, 08:59:44 AM »
Because he wasn't asked to.

He was asked to consider that Madeleine had been murdered and did so.

Did we get the reason why Amaral lied that no one talked about murder?

So why didn't he say "i don't think she was murdered"?

stephen25000

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Re: Re: The deployment of the cadaver dogs revisited.
« Reply #47 on: September 03, 2013, 09:01:41 AM »
Because he wasn't asked to.

He was asked to consider that Madeleine had been murdered and did so.

Did we get the reason why Amaral lied that no one talked about murder?

Are you implying that he thought Madeleine was murdered, or is that your supposition ?

As you well know 'theories' were flying thick and fast.

ferryman

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Re: Re: The deployment of the cadaver dogs revisited.
« Reply #48 on: September 03, 2013, 09:06:56 AM »
Are you implying that he thought Madeleine was murdered, or is that your supposition ?

As you well know 'theories' were flying thick and fast.

Inplying?

I'm stating what Harrison wrote ...

Offline Mr Moderator

Re: Re: The deployment of the cadaver dogs revisited.
« Reply #49 on: September 03, 2013, 11:25:36 AM »
For everyone's information I have moved the Harrison dog related posts here from 'the libel trial' thread.
« Last Edit: September 03, 2013, 11:27:07 AM by Mr Moderator »

ferryman

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Re: Re: The deployment of the cadaver dogs revisited.
« Reply #50 on: September 03, 2013, 11:43:25 AM »
After a week of intense work, Harrison presents the results of his study to my coordinating group. Even if we were expecting it, his conclusions confirm our worst fears. The most plausible scenario is the following: there is no doubt that Madeleine is dead, and her body is hidden somewhere in the area around Praia da Luz. He praises the quality of the work carried out by the Portuguese authorities in trying to find the little girl alive. According to him, the time has come to redirect the searches in order to find, this time, a body hidden in the surrounding area. 

(Goncalo Amaral)


I am currently of the opinion on the available information and statistical datasets that if death has occurred, that it is possible that Madeleine McCann’s body has been disposed into the sea at Praia da Luz. (See my second report entitled “NPIA OP TASK Search Doc Beach and Marine”).

(Mark Harrison's penultimate sentence and paragraph of his final report)

Spot the discrepancy.

And note how much notice Harrison took of the dog reactions ...

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Re: Re: The deployment of the cadaver dogs revisited.
« Reply #51 on: September 03, 2013, 06:06:39 PM »
After a week of intense work, Harrison presents the results of his study to my coordinating group. Even if we were expecting it, his conclusions confirm our worst fears. The most plausible scenario is the following: there is no doubt that Madeleine is dead, and her body is hidden somewhere in the area around Praia da Luz. He praises the quality of the work carried out by the Portuguese authorities in trying to find the little girl alive. According to him, the time has come to redirect the searches in order to find, this time, a body hidden in the surrounding area. 

(Goncalo Amaral)


I am currently of the opinion on the available information and statistical datasets that if death has occurred, that it is possible that Madeleine McCann’s body has been disposed into the sea at Praia da Luz. (See my second report entitled “NPIA OP TASK Search Doc Beach and Marine”).

(Mark Harrison's penultimate sentence and paragraph of his final report)

Spot the discrepancy.

And note how much notice Harrison took of the dog reactions ...


The optimum time window, on the night of disappearance, to dispose of a body into the sea from the shore would have been between 2200hrs and 0200hrs. The optimum time to dispose of a body into the sea from the top of
the cliffs would have been between 0200hrs and 041 Shrs.

Due to the normal high occupancy tourist activity on the beach and in the sea it could be considered a body would self expose and be detected.

In conclusion there is no intelligence spe?ic to this case or generic datasets that support a scenario of beach burial.
Additionally the digability study and coastal dynamics of the Praia Da Luz beach further limit this as a viable scenario.

However should further assurance be required I would suggest a limited inspection around the rock falls at the base of the cliffs' on the beach and the waters around the rocky outcrop to the east of the beach.

Should the investigators wish to discuss and develop the issues raised in this
assessment I would be happy to do so.

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Offline Carana

Re: Re: The deployment of the cadaver dogs revisited.
« Reply #52 on: September 03, 2013, 06:14:12 PM »

The optimum time window, on the night of disappearance, to dispose of a body into the sea from the shore would have been between 2200hrs and 0200hrs. The optimum time to dispose of a body into the sea from the top of
the cliffs would have been between 0200hrs and 041 Shrs.


Due to the normal high occupancy tourist activity on the beach and in the sea it could be considered a body would self expose and be detected.

In conclusion there is no intelligence spe?ic to this case or generic datasets that support a scenario of beach burial.
Additionally the digability study and coastal dynamics of the Praia Da Luz beach further limit this as a viable scenario.

However should further assurance be required I would suggest a limited inspection around the rock falls at the base of the cliffs' on the beach and the waters around the rocky outcrop to the east of the beach.

Should the investigators wish to discuss and develop the issues raised in this
assessment I would be happy to do so.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARK_HARRISON.htm


How would that timeframe fit in with Gerry supposedly deposing his daughter's body?

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Re: Re: The deployment of the cadaver dogs revisited.
« Reply #53 on: September 03, 2013, 06:31:02 PM »

How would that timeframe fit in with Gerry supposedly deposing his daughter's body?

It wouldn't, would it?

Reported around 10.15pm, GNR arrived at what time?
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Offline Carana

Re: Re: The deployment of the cadaver dogs revisited.
« Reply #54 on: September 03, 2013, 06:46:42 PM »
It wouldn't, would it?

Reported around 10.15pm, GNR arrived at what time?

Even if there was a tiny window for running down and dumping her in the sea (assuming other people were lying as to his presence), how did they then get her back to some kind person's freezer for the next 3 weeks then transport her in the car?

It doesn't quite work...