The deployment of the cadaver dogs in the underground garage.

[Mr Gray]

If, as a trained nurse, you present yourself at a nursing agency and apply for work, the agency will look, alone, at your qualifications, and if they match, will employ you.  They won't look, in detail, at your track record.

Much the same for Grime presenting himself for work in the US.  If accreditation for his dogs was up to date, they'd have taken him.

perhaps that's why grime has been so quiet about the alerts in pdl....not the dogs finest moment. The dogs are fantastic if there is something to find...they will find it...thats what makes them so valuable...but if theres nothing....

[ferryman]

Yes, but the attorneys trying to exclude dog alert evidence from those two trials will definitely have used every tool at their disposal, including Mr Grime's work in Portugal (and the videos, if they saw anything wrong with them).

Can you provide evidence of that?

So far as I am aware, it was general principles of acceptability or unacceptability of dog reactions as evidence that was the point of issue, not the track-record of handlers.

[Lyall]

Can you provide evidence of that?

So far as I am aware, it was general principles of acceptability or unacceptability of dog reactions as evidence that was the point of issue, not the track-record of handlers.

If you look at the Casey Anthony trial, and pretrial, the trainer's history and documentation of the training of the dogs is very much examined.

[Lyall]

That's one trial we do know a lot about. And pretrial is all on youtube too.

[ferryman]

If you look at the Casey Anthony trial, and pretrial, the trainer's history and documentation of the training of the dogs is very much examined.

Can you provide a link?

[Lyall]

Can you provide a link?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcRwzXRATto

Pretrial defense Motion to exclude K-9 alert evidence.

Lots of videos there.

[ferryman]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcRwzXRATto

Pretrial defense Motion to exclude K-9 alert evidence.

Lots of videos there.

A general overview of the training of the dog.

But no detailed analysis of any particular investigation ...

[Angelo222]

perhaps that's why grime has been so quiet about the alerts in pdl....not the dogs finest moment. The dogs are fantastic if their is something to find...they will find it...thats what makes them so valuable...but if theres nothing....

Then why, if the dogs were so good, was Eddie alerting at the Scenic if there wasn't anything there.  The only answer can be yet another false positive.

Unfortunately or fortunately depending on your standpoint, the true reason will never be known.

The deployment of the dogs in Praia da Luz was an exercise in futility.  The only thing they proved in the end was that they were unreliable in certain circumstances.

[ferryman]

Then why, if the dogs were so good, was Eddie alerting at the Scenic if there wasn't anything there.  The only answer can be yet another false positive.

Unfortunately or fortunately depending on your standpoint, the true reason will never be known.

The deployment of the dogs in Praia da Luz was an exercise in futility.  The only thing they proved in the end was that they were unreliable in certain circumstances.

I would agree with that.

But it needn't have been that way.

If the dogs had been deployed properly, even providing no alerts, that might have been taken as an indication that Madeleine might, indeed, still be alive and the whole direction of the investigation might have taken a different course.

[Lyall]

I would agree with that.

But it needn't have been that way.

If the dogs had been deployed properly, even providing no alerts, that might have been taken as an indication that Madeleine might, indeed, still be alive and the whole direction of the investigation might have taken a different course.

So why has there been no public campaign by the McCanns, ferry?

[Lyall]

Why has it been left to you? (and Angelo too apparently )

[Redblossom]

Then why, if the dogs were so good, was Eddie alerting at the Scenic if there wasn't anything there.  The only answer can be yet another false positive.

Unfortunately or fortunately depending on your standpoint, the true reason will never be known.

The deployment of the dogs in Praia da Luz was an exercise in futility.  The only thing they proved in the end was that they were unreliable in certain circumstances.

How do you know there wasnt anything there?
Eddie alerted..it could have been to remnant body scent and or blood... He alerts to both....indeed he reacted to remnant body scent in the Kate Prout murder investigation.....

Blood was certainly found there as Keela the blood dog found it in the boot and in the glove compartment
Its one thing to not be convinced of x y z its another to say the dog alerts were useless...only the handler knows that

Eddie the cadaver dog must be really sh it if he alerts for nothing and he alerted in plenty of places where it is a fact it wasnt to blood.......

He wasnt widely asked for worldwide for nothing or false alerts.....

[Angelo222]

Here is the uncut video of the inspection of the Scenic hire car.  Remember, this is the vehicle which according to some was not identified as the target vehicle yet it was the only one with Madeleine posters attached inside.  Watch as the handler Martin Grime stands by the car and beckons the dog over on several occasions whilst tapping the car with his hand.  What a frigging farce!

[AnneGuedes]

The deployment of the dogs in Praia da Luz was an exercise in futility.  The only thing they proved in the end was that they were unreliable in certain circumstances.

Which circumstances ?
If someone confesses and reveals Madeleine died effectively in the flat, would you say that the dogs' operation was a "futility" or that men have still a lot to study about remains' scent ?

[Lyall]

Here is the uncut video of the inspection of the Scenic hire car.  Remember, this is the vehicle which according to some was not identified as the target vehicle yet it was the only one with Madeleine posters attached inside.  Watch as the handler Martin Grime stands by the car and beckons the dog over on several occasions whilst tapping the car with his hand.  What a frigging farce!

Angelo, it really doesn't matter if he kept the dog there all day... the dog has been trained, not dragged in off the street