Author Topic: Catathymic violence, dissociation and adoption pathology  (Read 23783 times)

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Offline Myster

Re: Catathymic violence, dissociation and adoption pathology
« Reply #30 on: January 05, 2014, 05:41:25 PM »
I'm not seeing them John, only the blue header... nor Matthew McDonalds!
I asked quite a while ago if you could put them up when you had time, but the McCann debate took over.  >@@(*&)
It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.

Offline John

Re: Catathymic violence, dissociation and adoption pathology
« Reply #31 on: January 05, 2014, 05:43:24 PM »
I'm not seeing them John, only the blue header... nor Matthew McDonalds!
I asked quite a while ago if you could put them up when you had time, but the McCann debate took over.  >@@(*&)

Sorry, you're right.  I will upload them shortly, have to go to the main computer as they are stored there.  There must have been some reason why they weren't uploaded at the time...
« Last Edit: January 05, 2014, 05:45:00 PM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Myster

Re: Catathymic violence, dissociation and adoption pathology
« Reply #32 on: January 05, 2014, 05:46:31 PM »
I'm not seeing them John, only the blue header... nor Matthew McDonalds!
I asked quite a while ago if you could put them up when you had time, but the McCann debate took over.  >@@(*&)

Sorry !... I meant the remainder of Ann Eaton's statements 31 - 49
It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.

Offline sika

Re: Catathymic violence, dissociation and adoption pathology
« Reply #33 on: January 05, 2014, 06:25:02 PM »
I'd be very surprised if he's still in contact with pre-prison friends. Something that seems to crop up again and again with Bamber is that he very quickly falls out with people (or just dumps them when he feels they have outgrown their usefulness), Mike Tesko, Jackie Preece (you remind me very much of her, Holly), Giovanni di Stefano (I had quite an amusing exchange of views about Bamber with his son on Facebook once who is a mutual friend of one of mine), Ewen Smith etc.

This to me (coupled with the fact that even when they do fall out people seem to continue to be blindly loyal even when they would have every right to be angry with Jeremy for dumping them) would seem to back up the theory that he is a very manipulative person.

I sometimes think Brett Collins might hold a lot of answers to many of the questions we have about the case. It would be good if he were to resurface and come forward.
I was thinking the very same thing!

Offline John

Re: Catathymic violence, dissociation and adoption pathology
« Reply #34 on: January 05, 2014, 06:26:09 PM »
Sorry !... I meant the remainder of Ann Eaton's statements 31 - 49

They should be there too Myster.  I will upload them all.
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Catathymic violence, dissociation and adoption pathology
« Reply #35 on: January 05, 2014, 11:39:15 PM »
I'd be very surprised if he's still in contact with pre-prison friends. Something that seems to crop up again and again with Bamber is that he very quickly falls out with people (or just dumps them when he feels they have outgrown their usefulness), Mike Tesko, Jackie Preece (you remind me very much of her, Holly), Giovanni di Stefano (I had quite an amusing exchange of views about Bamber with his son on Facebook once who is a mutual friend of one of mine), Ewen Smith etc.

This to me (coupled with the fact that even when they do fall out people seem to continue to be blindly loyal even when they would have every right to be angry with Jeremy for dumping them) would seem to back up the theory that he is a very manipulative person.

I sometimes think Brett Collins might hold a lot of answers to many of the questions we have about the case. It would be good if he were to resurface and come forward.

Thank you Goatboy for those few kind words after welcoming me to the forum!  Have you ever read the book 'How to win friends and influence people'? Lol.  Someone mentioned JP earlier and I was wondering what had happened to her?

I'm not blindly loyal to JB at all.  I am interested and fascinated by the case from many different perspectives.  I have studied all aspects of the case since about 2010 when I read an article in the DM which sparked my initial interest.  To a large extent this was based on the fact that like Sheila and Jeremy I was adopted and many of my posts are themed against this. I have come to the conclusion that JB is innocent and has suffered the worst moj in British criminal history.  Just my take.  Might be wrong of course. I have no problem whatsoever with anyone who holds opposing views. In any event JB is serving life and it looks like a tory led government are to circumvent the ECHR legislation re life sentences by imposing 100 year tariffs.  Meaning JB is going nowhere fast unless some VERY FIRM evidence surfaces to the contrary.  Time and time again JB has thought he had it in the bag:  ccrc referral re dna plus add on points, Peter Sutherest's photographic evidence and more recently the tests carried out in Arizona with and without silencer.  All rejected.  From time-to-time they get excited on Blue eg palm print on bible etc but anyone looking at it objectively can see that there's no way it is strong enough to overturn the conviction.  Imo there's nothing in the public domain that is anywhere near strong enough.  They can pore over all the stuff on Blue until their dying days but imo there's nowt there. Some very sharp posters exist on Blue/Red from both camps and no one has turned up anything yet of significance hence we go round and round in circles and it gets kinda boring.  Sleep tight Goatboy  ?{)(**  Unless of course Mason Doyle has turned something up during the course of researching his book  >@@(*&)

Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline John

Re: Catathymic violence, dissociation and adoption pathology
« Reply #36 on: January 06, 2014, 06:56:04 PM »
I have uploaded most of the statements requested and many more. I will upload the Stokenchurch ones tomorrow.
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Myster

Re: Catathymic violence, dissociation and adoption pathology
« Reply #37 on: January 06, 2014, 07:12:42 PM »
I have uploaded most of the statements requested and many more. I will upload the Stokenchurch ones tomorrow.
Thank you !!!... been waiting for those since I joined many moons ago !!!  8((()*/

Grown a long beard to my feet since then.... (only joking for all those who like clean-shaven men8**8:/:
It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.

Offline goatboy

Re: Catathymic violence, dissociation and adoption pathology
« Reply #38 on: January 06, 2014, 08:20:19 PM »
Thank you Goatboy for those few kind words after welcoming me to the forum!  Have you ever read the book 'How to win friends and influence people'? Lol.  Someone mentioned JP earlier and I was wondering what had happened to her?

I'm not blindly loyal to JB at all.  I am interested and fascinated by the case from many different perspectives.  I have studied all aspects of the case since about 2010 when I read an article in the DM which sparked my initial interest.  To a large extent this was based on the fact that like Sheila and Jeremy I was adopted and many of my posts are themed against this. I have come to the conclusion that JB is innocent and has suffered the worst moj in British criminal history.  Just my take.  Might be wrong of course. I have no problem whatsoever with anyone who holds opposing views. In any event JB is serving life and it looks like a tory led government are to circumvent the ECHR legislation re life sentences by imposing 100 year tariffs.  Meaning JB is going nowhere fast unless some VERY FIRM evidence surfaces to the contrary.  Time and time again JB has thought he had it in the bag:  ccrc referral re dna plus add on points, Peter Sutherest's photographic evidence and more recently the tests carried out in Arizona with and without silencer.  All rejected.  From time-to-time they get excited on Blue eg palm print on bible etc but anyone looking at it objectively can see that there's no way it is strong enough to overturn the conviction.  Imo there's nothing in the public domain that is anywhere near strong enough.  They can pore over all the stuff on Blue until their dying days but imo there's nowt there. Some very sharp posters exist on Blue/Red from both camps and no one has turned up anything yet of significance hence we go round and round in circles and it gets kinda boring.  Sleep tight Goatboy  ?{)(**  Unless of course M...... D.... has turned something up during the course of researching his book  >@@(*&)

I did think you may not have found the comparison flattering! It's just when you tracked down the psychologist featured in the recent Bamber documentary to berate and threaten him, then boasted about it on this forum I remember thinking that was classic Jackie Preece. She joined this forum to try to convince people of his innocence when she was booted out of the blue forum and had no other outlet to discuss the case. Two things about you which seemed familiar to me.

Please don't go thinking that I would be upset if evidence came to light which proved Bamber was innocent! In the extremely unlikely event this ever happens I would naturally welcome the fact that an innocent man is free, don't go thinking my mind is completely closed on the matter. It's just the wealth of evidence supporting his conviction seems pretty clear to me, I suppose I could try to decide one day that I wanted him to be innocent and go in to the minutiae of the case to try to find something, anything, which suggested he was definitely innocent. But I prefer to weigh up all of the evidence and come to a conclusion based on that.

Regarding the Bamber case, if we are to believe that he is innocent what is certain is that Julie Mugford stood up in court and perjured herself. For what motive? It's not enough to say she was a woman scorned. Most scorned women would have been happy to key his Astra. No one would risk a prison sentence just because they have been jilted. Money? Well apart from the one exclusive interview she's kept her head down ever since. If money was a motivation she could have sold her story many times over, I don't doubt for a second that there are lots of people who would offer a great deal of money for this even today which would make the £25000 she received at the time look like small change. And if she was going to lie why didn't she come out and say outrightly that Bamber admitted his guilt to her? If you read her evidence she never actually states expicitly that he confessed to her. If you're going to lie be creative. Also, how many people would have to have been involved in this conspiracy to convict him if he was innocent? I admire your tenacity and your attention to detail but I really think you are barking up the wrong tree.
« Last Edit: January 08, 2014, 08:08:44 AM by goatboy »

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Catathymic violence, dissociation and adoption pathology
« Reply #39 on: January 07, 2014, 12:57:38 PM »
McDonalds police statements are already on the forum Holly.

www.miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?board=57.0

Thank you John  8((()*/ 

These were not on Blue so I look forward to reading them shortly.
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Catathymic violence, dissociation and adoption pathology
« Reply #40 on: January 07, 2014, 02:13:51 PM »
Long post.  I'll have to reply in bite size chunks due to time constraints if that's ok  ?{)(**

For the record I didn't join this forum when I was kicked out of Blue - I wouldn't want you to feel second best or that you are being used  ?{)(**  I joined on 2nd Mar '13 and made circa 100 posts.  I would have stayed longer but it was around the time when the McCann board took off and there wasn't much interest in Jeremy Bamber so I went back to Blue. 

I wasn't kicked out of Blue.  I was given a week long ban which I thought was most unfair.  I was not prepared to take my punishment and sit on the 'naughty step' for a week.  I contacted NGB, who has all my contact details, in an attempt to get the ban lifted.  As I didn't hear within 48 hours I made a conscious decision to start posting on here and make my views known on the mods/my ban.  The rest is history....

If I had a mind to I could start up a Jeremy Bamber/WHF topic on many of the thousands of forums that exist eg mumsnet.  Or start up my own website - no chance of getting banned then  @)(++(*  At the moment I am quite happy here and hope you are happy to have me too  ?{)(**

« Last Edit: January 09, 2014, 01:30:19 AM by John »
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Catathymic violence, dissociation and adoption pathology
« Reply #41 on: January 07, 2014, 02:33:23 PM »
PS I forgot to say an added attraction here is the board that John started up re financial/business/economic stuff etc which I can have a little rant on  ?{)(**  Not much interest on that yet but it has the potential to be developed  ?{)(**
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Myster

Re: Catathymic violence, dissociation and adoption pathology
« Reply #42 on: January 07, 2014, 06:45:37 PM »
Re - Matthew McDonald's Interviews.

Dear me !!!... Specsavers ?... I think I need to go to Sightsavers instead. That's some of the worst handwriting I've ever seen in Police interview statements. Like wading through a peat bog. Whatever happened to copperplate ?

What's noticeable though is the lack of hesitation in McDonald's replies, and a total absence of "No Comments", which Bamber's own statements are peppered with throughout.

What does that tell you about an interviewee wanting to tell the truth and not being deliberately obstructive ?
It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Catathymic violence, dissociation and adoption pathology
« Reply #43 on: January 07, 2014, 07:48:10 PM »
Yes they're not easy on the eyes.  It will take me a while to read them all thoroughly.

From what little I've read so far the style of interview seems very different to those that Jeremy underwent.  Matthew's seems open and a fact-finding exercise.  With Jeremy's being closed and accusatory, which I would imagine felt quite personal, insulting and upsetting if he's innocent and having just lost his nearest and dearest.
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Catathymic violence, dissociation and adoption pathology
« Reply #44 on: January 07, 2014, 09:42:21 PM »
I did think you may not have found the comparison flattering! It's just when you tracked down the psychologist featured in the recent Bamber documentary to berate and threaten him, then boasted about it on this forum I remember thinking that was classic Jackie Preece. She joined this forum to try to convince people of his innocence when she was booted out of the blue forum and had no other outlet to discuss the case. Two things about you which seemed familiar to me.

Please don't go thinking that I would be upset if evidence came to light which proved Bamber was innocent! In the extremely unlikely event this ever happens I would naturally welcome the fact that an innocent man is free, don't go thinking my mind is completely closed on the matter. It's just the wealth of evidence supporting his conviction seems pretty clear to me, I suppose I could try to decide one day that I wanted him to be innocent and go in to the minutiae of the case to try to find something, anything, which suggested he was definitely innocent. But I prefer to weigh up all of the evidence and come to a conclusion based on that.

Regarding the Bamber case, if we are to believe that he is innocent what is certain is that Julie Mugford stood up in court and perjured herself. For what motive? It's not enough to say she was a woman scorned. Most scorned women would have been happy to key his Astra. No one would risk a prison sentence just because they have been jilted. Money? Well apart from the one exclusive interview she's kept her head down ever since. If money was a motivation she could have sold her story many times over, I don't doubt for a second that there are lots of people who would offer a great deal of money for this even today which would make the £25000 she received at the time look like small change. And if she was going to lie why didn't she come out and say outrightly that Bamber admitted his guilt to her? If you read her evidence she never actually states expicitly that he confessed to her. If you're going to lie be creative. Also, how many people would have to have been involved in this conspiracy to convict him if he was innocent? I admire your tenacity and your attention to detail but I really think you are barking up the wrong tree.


I perhaps should have added to my previous post in response to yours above that I most definitely have no desire whatsoever to try and convince people of Jeremy's innocence. People need to form their own opinions and base their decisions on them accordingly.   

Yes I guess I did do a bit of a Jackie Preece with my rant over the psychologist, David Holmes, on the recent C5 programme.  I must confess I was quite  8()(((@# at the time  @)(++(*  Hope I didn't scare you!  I think it is very unprofessional for a psychologist to offer up opinion as fact without ever meeting the individual concerned.  According to David Holmes Jeremy suffered feelings of abandonment as a result of being adopted and attending boarding school.  And resentment, jealousy and envy as a result of Sheila being physically attractive and a successful model.  Implying that this led Jeremy to slaughter his family.

We hear nothing about the psychology of adoption; June's mental illness circa 1959 and admission to a psychiatric unit and the potential adverse affects on Sheila for an attachment disorder; the connection between an attachment disorder and lack of empathy; the connection between a lack of empathy and psychopathy; the potential for Sheila to have been adversely affected by the reunion with her birth mother which took place only weeks before the murders.

Both Sheila and Jeremy were adopted, attended boarding school and were physically attractive so the only difference is the modelling aspect. There's no evidence that Sheila was a successful model.  I would like to see any accounts/p45 showing remuneration.  Sheila completed a modelling course paid for by June.  Often these courses include a guaranteed first assignment which in Sheila's case might have been the assignment in Tokyo, from where she wrote to Colin telling him she was unable to cope and asked him to arrange an appointment for her to see a psychiatrist on her return.  The media created a myth about Sheila having a glamorous London lifestyle which imo could not be further from the truth.  She had little, if any, surplus income; claimed DSS; relied on her parents for financial support with June delivering weekly food parcels; was unable to secure any paid employment; suffered low self-esteem; had difficult parenting her children; according to Claire Powell wanted a man in her life but this seemed to elude her.  I have every sympathy as apart from Dr Ferguson diagnosing her as a paranoid schizophrenic I suggest she had a few more unidentified issues.
 

« Last Edit: January 08, 2014, 04:53:27 PM by John »
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?