The Find Madeleine website, Tannerman & the e-fits

[pathfinder73]

With all due respect Pathfinder, those are your thoughts only, and they should be stated as such.  They are not fact
I think you are probably right about the window and shutter being raised from inside   However, we dont KNOW that .  Heribert Janosch proved that in certain circumstances they could have been raiseed from the outside and the window opened also from outside, if it was only closed and not lockeed.

Reasons for the window open and shutters raised have been gone over time and again ... and there are at least 7 possible reasons

Just to list a few

1)  As an escape route in emergency
2)  To take the investigators eye off the door as the entrance point.  Why?  Because this pointed to someone with access to OC keys being involved
3)  To give the false impression for the Golden period that Madeleine had climbed out of the window and wandered off..  The first few hours are the Golden ones
4)  To pass drugs and give instructions
5)  To give moral support to the lifter.
6)  For the lifter to watch for anyone coming from the car park direction

The sound of shutters would be a common sound in OC and like a car passing by, would be unlikely to be noticed by neighbours.  Seems it wasn't noticed by anyone, so why all the fuss about it?   It cant have been that obtrusive, can it?

No an abductor wouldn't touch those shutters. He would be in and out the door as quick as possible. That window was open and the door was hidden. Anything else is completely foolish. Did you notice how much stuff was in that room? And he left no evidence. I go for what's probable not impossible.

[Lyall]

With all due respect Pathfinder, those are your thoughts only, and they should be stated as such.  They are not fact
I think you are probably right about the window and shutter being raised from inside   However, we dont KNOW that .  Heribert Janosch proved that in certain circumstances they could have been raiseed from the outside and the window opened also from outside, if it was only closed and not lockeed.

Reasons for the window open and shutters raised have been gone over time and again ... and there are at least 7 possible reasons

Just to list a few

1)  As an escape route in emergency
2)  To take the investigators eye off the door as the entrance point.  Why?  Because this pointed to someone with access to OC keys being involved
3)  To give the false impression for the Golden period that Madeleine had climbed out of the window and wandered off..  The first few hours are the Golden ones
4)  To pass drugs and give instructions
5)  To give moral support to the lifter.
6)  For the lifter to watch for anyone coming from the car park direction

The sound of shutters would be a common sound in OC and like a car passing by, would be unlikely to be noticed by neighbours.  Seems it wasn't noticed by anyone, so why all the fuss about it?   It cant have been that obtrusive, can it?

There's another explanation for why it was never noticed.

[Wonderfulspam]

What a splendid sense of humour you have Wspam

You laugh at so little.  Rather pathetic really isn't it?

Well how shockingly abusive of you. I consider your remarks to be a 'gross travesty of  justice'.

[icabodcrane]

The e fit of the man the Smiths saw is  prominently displayed on the official Metropoitan Police website

On their stated list of  'priorities'  identifying this man is number one

It belies belief that the McCanns  removed  the e fit from their own website altogether

This thread has run into many pages now,  and no-one has come up with a single credible reason for them having done so

[Sherlock Holmes]

Are you sure it was not used in the Smithman e-fits ?

I will check, Anne, to see if this new  'Evolutionary' system was used in making the Smithman e-fits. I thought that the technique was extremely new, but I could be wrong.

Having a look at the pictures again, I can see that the slimmer face looks like the other examples of the new 3D technique I saw. It looks more 'real' than the other image, which is flatter and more like a drawing.

It's and interesting fact in itself that the two pictures are quite different in style, artistically speaking, as well as the fact that the same man is depicted in two such strikingly different ways.

[AnneGuedes]

Ever thought that the head might have been turned away, Anne?

I limited myself to read what Ms Tanner had to say. She didn't justify the "blank face" with a turned away head. 

[AnneGuedes]

I will check, Anne, to see if this new  'Evolutionary' system was used in making the Smithman e-fits. I thought that the technique was extremely new, but I could be wrong.

Having a look at the pictures again, I can see that the slimmer face looks like the other examples of the new 3D technique I saw. It looks more 'real' than the other image, which is flatter and more like a drawing.

It's and interesting fact in itself that the two pictures are quite different in style, artistically speaking, as well as the fact that the same man is depicted in two such strikingly different ways.

Unfortunately we don't know how, if ever, the Smith family reacted to those e-fits. They were 4 adults and 2 teens. Could it be 3 thought Mr Slim plausible and 3 Mr Flat ?

[sadie]

No an abductor wouldn't touch those shutters. He would be in and out the door as quick as possible. That window was open and the door was hidden. Anything else is completely foolish. Did you notice how much stuff was in that room? And he left no evidence. I go for what's probable not impossible.

Nothing impossible about what I have said.  Everything is totally feasible.

Why is it so important to you to try and criminalise The Mccanns?  There has to be a reason.

[sadie]

No an abductor wouldn't touch those shutters. He would be in and out the door as quick as possible. That window was open and the door was hidden. Anything else is completely foolish. Did you notice how much stuff was in that room? And he left no evidence. I go for what's probable not impossible.

Once again, you are stating your opinions as fact.

Yep, the door was absolutely hidden.  No-one at all could see it.  Deeply recessed at the dead-end of a walled walkway with no one passing.  Also hidden in the dark.  No illumination whatso ever. 

Have you been and looked Pathfinder?

The front door is a burglars dream.  No one can see it at all.

[sadie]

Well how shockingly abusive of you. I consider your remarks to be a 'gross travesty of  justice'.

[slartibartfast]

I cant see anything wrong with that.  Why does it trouble you?

Because they seem to have no theories of their own, but just try and discredit, in a manner somewhat similar to a defence lawyer, the evidence that exists which is not favourable to the McCanns. Most people on here understand that the evidence that exist either way would not stand up in a court of law and most want to get to the truth of what happened.

[sadie]

There's another explanation for why it was never noticed.

Care to elucidate Lyall?

[Lyall]

Care to elucidate Lyall?

Schrödinger's window.

[Lyall]

Why didn't Kate shout from the apartment to the tapas, Sadie?

You tried to convince us Madeleine could have done. Why didn't Kate?

[AnneGuedes]

The e fit of the man the Smiths saw is  prominently displayed on the official Metropoitan Police website

On their stated list of  'priorities'  identifying this man is number one

It belies belief that the McCanns  removed  the e fit from their own website altogether

This thread has run into many pages now,  and no-one has come up with a single credible reason for them having done so

They are in a delicate position if you take into account Martin Smith's September statement.
Their hope legitimately would be that those who know that statement forget it.
Publishing the e-fits (one of them having already been superposed to Mr McCann's face) would be like providing the rope for them to be hanged.
They've repeated that they trusted SY, they're not supposed to second them.