The Find Madeleine website, Tannerman & the e-fits

[Mr Gray]

Don't go there, davel. It wasn't British justice's finest hour, put it that way. Far from it.

 Im happy to go there..it was a miscarriage of justice...not a cover up... The problem was a misunderstanding of the forensics by the prosecution..a bit like the dogs really

[Mr Gray]

Don't go there, davel. It wasn't British justice's finest hour, put it that way. Far from it.

 the important thing is that british justice admits when it makes a mistake

[Lyall]

Well, if it had been my daughter who had gone missing, I would have been searching all night.

Extraordinary quote: 'nobody else was looking' - errr....other people had been out all night looking. Just not the parents. God, their AUDACITY is just breathtaking.

Also- notice the emphasis of the words - once again, it is all about THEM not their daughter  - 'we were completely alone' - that was the most striking and horrific thing about it all.

HANG ON - they claim to believe that their daughter has been abducted by a paedophile - that's pretty bad, right - I mean as a parent that is unimaginably horrific......

Buy, as far as the McCanns are concerned - the worst thing is that they were alone and no-one else was looking. Once again, this is fabrication - a large number of people had been looking, just not the McCanns.

Oh, but I forgot, everything is everyone else's fault, isn't it.........

It was quite deliberate policy from Day 1 to portray themselves as victims wasn't it.

Remember the soundbite, less than three days after the disappearance: "... we continue to hope for the best possible outcome from this for us, and for Madeleine."

An astonishingly successful media strategy, but one that appalled as many as it attracted.

[Lyall]

the important thing is that british justice admits when it makes a mistake

Eventually.

And not in all cases. Remember at the time talking heads on British TV were criticising the Portuguese police, Barry George was still rotting in a British prison.

[Wonderfulspam]

It was quite deliberate policy from Day 1 to portray themselves as victims wasn't it.

Remember the soundbite, less than three days after the disappearance: "... we continue to hope for the best possible outcome from this for us, and for Madeleine."

An astonishingly successful media strategy, but one that appalled as many as it attracted.

One quote that always bothered me is the Sky News 100 day's interview.

"Everything we have done in the last 100 days is focused on the belief that madeleine was alive when she was abducted"

Focused on the belief that she was alive?

What possible reason could he have had for there to be any uncertainty surrounding that issue.

No one is going to break in, kill her & leave with her. It just doesn't make any sense.

So surely this uncertainty can only have come from some prior knowlege?

[jassi]

One quote that always bothered me is the Sky News 100 day's interview.

"Everything we have done in the last 100 days is focused on the belief that madeleine was alive when she was abducted"

Focused on the belief that she was alive?

What possible reason could he have had for there to be any uncertainty surrounding that issue.

No one is going to break in, kill her & leave with her. It just doesn't make any sense.

So surely this uncertainty can only have come from some prior knowlege?

That doesn't seem an unreasonable assumption.

[Mr Gray]

Eventually.

And not in all cases. Remember at the time talking heads on British TV were criticising the Portuguese police, Barry George was still rotting in a British prison.

 Eventually yes...you may have missed the post by Montclair where he said he had never heard of a successful appeal in Portugal in the 37 yrs he had lived there

[Lyall]

Eventually yes...you may have missed the post by Montclair where he said he had never heard of a successful appeal in Portugal in the 37 yrs he had lived there

Perhaps there is some misunderstanding with Montclair there? But in any case that has no relevance to establishment coverups in the UK. There have definitely been plenty of those.

You don't need to go back to 1974 and cases in Ireland or involving issues related to Ireland. Look at how difficult it was to investigate phone hacking and bribery etc. Look at the invasion of Iraq, and the Hutton Inquiry.

[Mr Gray]

Perhaps there is some misunderstanding with Montclair there? But in any case that has no relevance to establishment coverups in the UK. There have definitely been plenty of those.

You don't need to go back to 1974 and cases in Ireland or involving issues related to Ireland. Look at how difficult it was to investigate phone hacking and bribery etc. Look at the invasion of Iraq, and the Hutton Inquiry.

pat made quite an aggressive post..he need to justify it..I await his response re the Birmingham 6

[Wonderfulspam]

pat made quite an aggressive post..he need to justify it..I await his response re the Birmingham 6

It really is rather tragic isn't it. that we are sat here discussing the birmingham 6 on xmas eve.

[Mr Gray]

It really is rather tragic isn't it. that we are sat here discussing the birmingham 6 on xmas eve.

 Not really..Kids have just gone to bed and im enjoying a glass of Pol Roger whilst they go to sleep then I can put the presents under the tree..

[Wonderfulspam]

Not really..Kids have just gone to bed and im enjoying a glass of Pol Roger whilst they go to sleep then I can put the presents under the tree..

I'm about to stick roughly the same amount of foliage as might be found on a small xmas tree, inside a large rizla paper 

[pegasus]

Not really..Kids have just gone to bed and im enjoying a glass of Pol Roger whilst they go to sleep then I can put the presents under the tree..

You're lucky round these parts its difficult to find a restaurant within walking distance with good vintage champagne.

[AnneGuedes]

Has always been my opinion, & one that the plastic public will suck up and believe because of the media hype & moral panic surrounding child sex abuse.

Yes, very likely. I think of Mr Mackenzie's shocked reaction when he first heard Mr McCann speak of the phone :  his conversation did not change at all when he realised that I was there. I felt as if I were intruding on a private moment .

[AnneGuedes]

One quote that always bothered me is the Sky News 100 day's interview.

"Everything we have done in the last 100 days is focused on the belief that madeleine was alive when she was abducted"

Focused on the belief that she was alive?

What possible reason could he have had for there to be any uncertainty surrounding that issue.

No one is going to break in, kill her & leave with her. It just doesn't make any sense.

So surely this uncertainty can only have come from some prior knowlege?

This is one of the curious sentences that would have interested Dr Freud. In 1906, he was invited to speak on the relations between psychoanalysis and criminology.
Another curious sentence is "No one will ever feel more guilty than us for the fact that we were not with Madeleine at that time when she was abducted " (first interview 25 May 2007).