Statistically...what are the chances that Maddie was abducted..

[Wonderfulspam]

You are acting simple minded, but I think that you are well intelligent enough to answer that yourself

No please enlighten us with your greater inteligence.

How would anyone know she was dead?

[Lace]

Do you think Gerry would have been in his right mind having found his daughter 'gone'.

Your right Gerry wouldn't have been in his right mind if he found his daughter 'gone'   neither would he be in his right mind if he was hiding her body.     

Not in his right mind enough to -   have a normal conversation with jez,   go back and laugh and chat with friends, then pull off the most convincing act of a father who had just found his daughter missing,  seen by many witnesses including the police.

Not only would Kate and Gerry have had to be fantastic actors,  but their friends would have too,  pretend searching,   pretend panic when asking the public to help search,  pretence when talking to the police,  and lying in their statements.

[AnneGuedes]

I don't believe a word they say, davel, but can't claim to know what happened to Madeleine, of course.

I still sometimes think it's a hoax. >@@(*&)

For 41 years scientists have been cheated by the most famous and spectacular hoax of the XXth. The motive behind Eoanthropus dawsoni remains a mystery, but the factors explaining the success of the hoax have been thoroughly analysed.

[Wonderfulspam]

Your right Gerry wouldn't have been in his right mind if he found his daughter 'gone'   neither would he be in his right mind if he was hiding her body.     

Not in his right mind enough to -   have a normal conversation with jez,   go back and laugh and chat with friends, then pull off the most convincing act of a father who had just found his daughter missing,  seen by many witnesses including the police.

Not only would Kate and Gerry have had to be fantastic actors,  but their friends would have too,  pretend searching,   pretend panic when asking the public to help search,  pretence when talking to the police,  and lying in their statements.

They weren't that convincing with their prayers too mecca & also maybe not the entire group of friends knew what had actually happened, add to that since Kate 'knew immediatley she'd been taken' the 'searching' & not immediatley calling the police doesn't fit. And I have never been convinced by any of their media performances since 4th May 2007.

[sadie]

No please enlighten us with your greater inteligence.

How would anyone know she was dead?

You surely know the dangers there might have been carrying a dead child like you suggest.  The pallor, the dreadful dead look of a child. 

I know, my son as a child died at home of the effects of a brain tumour.  The look was indescribable.

Anyone passing might have asked "Was the child dead?  Could they help"

And if the police had stopped him then how would the carrier get out of the fact that he was acrrying a dead, murdered child?  On the other hand, if the child was drugged, and alive, the carrier could say she was sick and he was taking her to the doctors or rushing to get help.


Now, I would have expected you to have worked that out for yourself.  I think you are having me on 

[AnneGuedes]

Kate and Gerry have had to be fantastic actors

Imagine that Mr McCann found the perpetrator in the flat (in Tannerman time he himself admitted they were both there), with Madeleine in his arms and a knife near her neck.
The perpetrator -- I want this child, she's exactly like my dead daughter. Let me take her, and no harm will happen to her. Now go back to the tapas, at the first sign of launching the alarm I'll kill your daughter. You'll be like me, an orphan. Send your wife at 10, tell her to open the shutters and the window for the police know this was an abduction. I wouldn't like you to be accused of killing your own daughter and to conceal her body.
I'm not alone, you're spotted, so you better do as I said.
Would Mr McCann have had to be an excellent actor or just a loving father ?

[jassi]

You surely know the dangers there might have been carrying a dead child like you suggest.  The pallor, the dreadful dead look of a child. 

I know, my son as a child died at home of the effects of a brain tumour.  The look was indescribable.

Anyone passing might have asked "Was the child dead?  Could they help"

And if the police had stopped him then how would the carrier get out of the fact that he was acrrying a dead, murdered child?  On the other hand, if the child was drugged, and alive, the carrier could say she was sick and he was taking her to the doctors or rushing to get help.


Now, I would have expected you to have worked that out for yourself.  I think you are having me on 

I think that carrying the child through the streets was a desperate measure employed because there were no other options and had he been caught, it would have been all over. As it transpired, he got away with it.

[Wonderfulspam]

You surely know the dangers there might have been carrying a dead child like you suggest.  The pallor, the dreadful dead look of a child. 

I know, my son as a child died at home of the effects of a brain tumour.  The look was indescribable.

Anyone passing might have asked "Was the child dead?  Could they help"

And if the police had stopped him then how would the carrier get out of the fact that he was acrrying a dead, murdered child?  On the other hand, if the child was drugged, and alive, the carrier could say she was sick and he was taking her to the doctors or rushing to get help.


Now, I would have expected you to have worked that out for yourself.  I think you are having me on 

Why would the police stop him?  Would there be any beat bobbies out at that time what with the Portuguese police being so terrible so we are often told.


Would she look dead in the dark, with her head resting against his shoulder?  Just a blonde haired girl in pyjamas sleeping deeply. Eternal rest perhaps.

P.S, I don't think she was murdered and I never have.
 

[Mr Gray]

Imagine that Mr McCann found the perpetrator in the flat (in Tannerman time he himself admitted they were both there), with Madeleine in his arms and a knife near her neck.
The perpetrator -- I want this child, she's exactly like my dead daughter. Let me take her, and no harm will happen to her. Now go back to the tapas, at the first sign of launching the alarm I'll kill your daughter. You'll be like me, an orphan. Send your wife at 10, tell her to open the shutters and the window for the police know this was an abduction. I wouldn't like you to be accused of killing your own daughter and to conceal her body.
I'm not alone, you're spotted, so you better do as I said.
Would Mr McCann have had to be an excellent actor or just a loving father ?

Is this meant to be serious

[sadie]

They weren't that convincing with their prayers too mecca & also maybe not the entire group of friends knew what had actually happened, add to that since Kate 'knew immediatley she'd been taken' the 'searching' & not immediatley calling the police doesn't fit. And I have never been convinced by any of their media performances since 4th May 2007.

Prayers to Mecca?  Who says?  some PT cops who dont even speak English ?  Knees do sometimes buckle in emotional circumstances. 

I can remember falling in love with this guy and on our first date, he said something special .... and in the emotion, my legs gave way and I was on the ground.  BludyL did I ever have to fight him off !  He thought that I was offering myself to him !!!



Of course Kate deep down knew, but she tried not to think in that direction.  Both she and Gerry are highly intelligent

Someone, Matt I think, ran immediately after the initial local search, within the first few minutes to the main reception for them to call the police. 

There seemed to be a delay by reception, before the Police were called.

IIRC Reception notified OC senior staff first and took their guidance from them


Please correct me if I am remembering this incorrectly.

There is a thread all about it earlier in the forum.  It was less than 300 metres

[Lyall]

Is this meant to be serious

Anne's thinking outside the box. Such a scenario or something like it could indeed explain a few things.

[sadie]

Why would the police stop him?  Would there be any beat bobbies out at that time what with the Portuguese police being so terrible so we are often told.


Would she look dead in the dark, with her head resting against his shoulder?  Just a blonde haired girl in pyjamas sleeping deeply. Eternal rest perhaps.

P.S, I don't think she was murdered and I never have.

To remind you, this all happened at the same time as the alarm was being raised.  Had the Mccanns known how to contact the police and a cop been nearby, he might have been stopped.  Who knows, but just who would risk such a scenario?

Gotta go.  Byee

[Victoria]

Anne's thinking outside the box. Such a scenario or something like it could indeed explain a few things.

It's the first time I've ever seen anyone attempt to flesh out a scenario in which the McCanns have lied, and it's just as ridiculous as I expected it to be. Utter, utter nonsense.

But then nobody has ever out forward a believable hypothetical scenario in which things didn't happen the way the McCanns and their friends have said they happened.

[jassi]

To remind you, this all happened at the same time as the alarm was being raised.  Had the Mccanns known how to contact the police and a cop been nearby, he might have been stopped.  Who knows, but just who would risk such a scenario?

Gotta go.  Byee

A desperate man with no better option.

[Wonderfulspam]

It's the first time I've ever seen anyone attempt to flesh out a scenario in which the McCanns have lied, and it's just as ridiculous as I expected it to be. Utter, utter nonsense.

But then nobody has ever out forward a believable hypothetical scenario in which things didn't happen the way the McCanns and their friends have said they happened.

The McCanns have never provided a believable abduction scenario, they tried & it's detail has been changed with the passage of time.