Statistically...what are the chances that Maddie was abducted..

[Wonderfulspam]

So. How many of these dumpster bins were within a mile vicinity? When were they emptied? Weren't they checked? The most famous missing child in the world, global within 24 hours, and any evidence slipped away under everyone's noses? If I had a heart of stone, like some I've witnessed on here, I'd wonder if she'd been magicked away on Hagrid's motorbike. Who hid her, Gerry? Were his holiday clothes checked for DNA?

How many of these dumpster bins were within a mile vicinity?

Pass.

When were they emptied?

Early morning probably.

Weren't they checked?

Possibly not every bin if people believed they were looking for a living child having been carried off in one specific direction.

Who hid her, Gerry? Were his holiday clothes checked for DNA?

Could have disposed of clothing which came into contact with dead child (jacket for example) in a similar manner to disposal of dead child.

[puglove]

I've already lost my mod hat and invisibility cloak because of this case, I'm nearly down to my pants. If you can honestly look at Kate and think that she would cover for Gerry, when she obviously loved that little girl so much, there's nothing more I can say. They took a chance, they didn't get away with it. How many members of staff, cleaners etc. could have entered that apartment? How many itinerant weirdos passed through, with their own agenda? How impossibly unlikely would the rest of the Tapas group not break under questioning?

[Wonderfulspam]

I find it impossible to believe because no-one can come up with a credible explanation of how, when or where they hid her body - and how they moved it again 3 weeks later.      Or even explain why 9 intelligent people, all apparently colluding together, came up with such a complicated,  imbecilic plan as the one being alleged.     

That just makes no sense at all - when it is so obvious that there were far simpler ways of achieving the same ends.    Only idiots without a single brain cell amongst  them would have failed to realise that fact when they were making their 'plans'.    Plans, which incidentally were so complicated and convoluted it would have taken a month of Sundays of practise to remember all the details of what 9 people had to do and say.   

 

and how they moved it again 3 weeks later.

Not necessary.

Or even explain why 9 intelligent people, all apparently colluding together,

Wouldn't have to involve all 9.

all apparently colluding together, came up with such a complicated,  imbecilic plan as the one being alleged.   

Nothing particuarly complicated about sticking her in the bin.

[puglove]

How many of these dumpster bins were within a mile vicinity?

Pass.

When were they emptied?

Early morning probably.

Weren't they checked?

Possibly not every bin if people believed they were looking for a living child having been carried off in one specific direction.

Who hid her, Gerry? Were his holiday clothes checked for DNA?

Could have disposed of clothing which came into contact with dead child (jacket for example) in a similar manner to disposal of dead child.

But didn't the over-hyped, rehomed Springer Spaniels that you set so much stock by suss that out? Aren't they your key? The dogs?

[Wonderfulspam]

I've already lost my mod hat and invisibility cloak because of this case, I'm nearly down to my pants. If you can honestly look at Kate and think that she would cover for Gerry, when she obviously loved that little girl so much, there's nothing more I can say. They took a chance, they didn't get away with it. How many members of staff, cleaners etc. could have entered that apartment? How many itinerant weirdos passed through, with their own agenda? How impossibly unlikely would the rest of the Tapas group not break under questioning?

How impossibly unlikely would the rest of the Tapas group not break under questioning?

Wouldn't have to involve all tapas 9.

How many members of staff, cleaners etc. could have entered that apartment?

Some possibly or none at all, but if she is hidden, no one would see.

If you can honestly look at Kate and think that she would cover for Gerry

I can easily believe they could have an unbreakable bond.

[Wonderfulspam]

But didn't the over-hyped, rehomed Springer Spaniels that you set so much stock by suss that out? Aren't they your key? The dogs?

No. Just reasonable suspicion. The dogs are an added bonus.

[Lyall]

I've already lost my mod hat and invisibility cloak because of this case, I'm nearly down to my pants. If you can honestly look at Kate and think that she would cover for Gerry, when she obviously loved that little girl so much, there's nothing more I can say. They took a chance, they didn't get away with it. How many members of staff, cleaners etc. could have entered that apartment? How many itinerant weirdos passed through, with their own agenda? How impossibly unlikely would the rest of the Tapas group not break under questioning?

Not break? Who on the other side of any desk they sat at was ever trying to 'break' them?

[Lyall]

The Portuguese and British police both treated them with kid gloves.

[puglove]

How impossibly unlikely would the rest of the Tapas group not break under questioning?

Wouldn't have to involve all tapas 9.

How many members of staff, cleaners etc. could have entered that apartment?

Some possibly or none at all, but if she is hidden, no one would see.

If you can honestly look at Kate and think that she would cover for Gerry

I can easily believe they could have an unbreakable bond.

Hmm. Occam's razor, I suppose. With the Bamber case, Simon Hall and Madeleine. It's all there, simple and sad.

[pathfinder73]

Smithman didn't kill anyone IMO. He saved the day/life in regards to what happened at 5A. Consequences of actions can make people resort to extraordinary lengths. Luck was definitely involved in regards to searches uncovering nothing. Smithman may be totally confident that nothing can now be found but I'm not so sure.

[Wonderfulspam]

Hmm. Occam's razor, I suppose. With the Bamber case, Simon Hall and Madeleine. It's all there, simple and sad.

A very sad scenario indeed.
Are you shona by any chance?

[Wonderfulspam]

Smithman didn't kill anyone IMO. He saved the day/life in regards to what happened at 5A. Consequences of actions can make people resort to extraordinary lengths. Luck was definitely involved in regards to searches uncovering nothing. Smithman may be totally confident that nothing can be found but I'm not so sure.

No one killed anyone I imagine.

Consequences of actions can make people resort to extraordinary lengths.

People can do some strange things under pressure.

Smithman may be totally confident that nothing can be found but I'm not so sure.

Sadly I don't think she will ever be found.

[puglove]

A very sad scenario indeed.
Are you shona by any chance?

Blimey, it took you long enough. I swear, drink too much, and I love pugs.

*Hint*   I'm not Princess Michael of Kent.         

[Wonderfulspam]

Blimey, it took you long enough. I swear, drink too much, and I love pugs.

*Hint*   I'm not Princess Michael of Kent.         

Sorry I offended you before.  I am not really a totally evil b........, (I used to volunteer for a christian charity providing holidays for under privaliged kids & had an enhanced crb check, I sometimes rescue animals for my local rspca centre) it's just when I enter internet land my warped imagination can run riot.

[puglove]

Sorry I offended you before.  I am not really a totally evil b........, (I used to volunteer for a christian charity providing holidays for under privaliged kids & had an enhanced crb check, I sometimes rescue animals for my local rspca centre) it's just when I enter internet land my warped imagination can run riot.

You haven't offended me. It took me yonks until I realised forum world isn't real world. There are horrible people who sit out there, in their pants, wanking and trolling. More to be pittied than scolded. And I did it, too. I should have forgiven Grahame Belton, instead of calling him a massive nobjockey.