Statistically...what are the chances that Maddie was abducted..

[sadie]

And neither do other aspects of their story. The entire edifice is based on a single assumption. Which is that the McCanns are telling the truth. Why would it be that the McCanns and their friends are the sole purveys of this commodity? They have certainly been very quick to challenge and sue those who do not believe their version of events.

The only truthful explanation for Madeleine's disappearance, if the McCanns and their friends had no prior knowledge or were completely innocent of anything to do with it, would be that they did not know what happened to Madeleine. But that is not what they said. They cannot 'know' what happened to Madeleine unless they were there when it happened or unless they had something to do with it.

That's relatively amateur detective work, don't you think?

I dread to think of the sort of people in your life, that you can think all these people are liars.

My experience of people has been the opposite. 

I would add that I regularly mix with doctors and professional people, like the Tapas group
... but also with all stratas of society.  I do not hold it against people that they are poor, of a different religion, nationality ... or skin colour.


Most people are honest.  I would rate both Kate and Jane as being transparently 100% honest.  Just where are you coming from j.rob?

[stephen25000]

I dread to think of the sort of people in your life, that you can think all these people are liars.

My experience of people has been the opposite. 

I would add that I regularly mix with doctors and professional people, like the Tapas group
... but also with all stratas of society.  I do not hold it against people that they are poor, of a different religion, nationality ... or skin colour.


Most people are honest.  I would rate both Kate and Jane as being transparently 100% honest.  Just where are you coming from j.rob?

You do not know the mccanns have been 'transparent' or 'honest'.

That is your belief and no more than that.

[sadie]

Now if you are as you claim an engineer, you would appreciate that you would n ot get a perfect seal, let alone taking into account refraction or reflection of light from/on different surfaces.

You assume the mccanns left them closed, but you do not know that as a fact.

As to abduction, UNPROVEN.

What sort of people do you mix with Stephen, that you disbelieve everything the Tapas group say?  To do with the Madeleine case, you only disbelieve the Mccanns and their supporters.

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Oh, on a lighter note:  We won the Ashes !  That should bring a smile to your face !

[AnneGuedes]

It's much easier to take one's beliefs for reality than make reality one's belief.

[stephen25000]

What sort of people do you mix with Stephen, that you disbelieve everything the Tapas group say?  To do with the Madeleine case, you only disbelieve the Mccanns and their supporters.

In preference you chose to believe a criminal, a twice Court proven liar (perjury)

What does that say about you?






Oh, on a lighter note:  We won the Ashes !  That should bring a smile to your face !

On the ashes, well done to the women's team. Perhaps some of their male counterparts could learn a thing or too.


As to Amaral, I don't believe everything he says. Sorry to disappoint you on that.

Meanwhile, if as I believe Madeleine died as a result of an accident, the mccanns have something to hide, though I don't believe all the tapas members knew what happened.

However, on record was the meeting of the entire group at the Rothley Hotel on their return to the UK.

Was that to make sure they all told the SAME STORY ?

[sadie]

You do not know the mccanns have been 'transparent' or 'honest'.

That is your belief and no more than that.

I am quite a good judge of character, with huge experience of life at many levels.  I have dealt with adults and children from all walks of life for over 75 years.

I have also met and talked briefly with Kate.  I have witnessed her openess with the PJ, admitting things that others might have kept their mouths shut about.

I have seen Jane Tanner on video, having to put up with her words and observations being overuled by a forgetful Gerry .... then breaking her heart as she recalls that "if only she had realised the relevance of her sighting of a man carrying a child" on that fateful night.

Seems that most of your experience of life is in the classroom or with a very narrow group of people ?

[stephen25000]

I am quite a good judge of character, with huge experience of life at many levels.  I have dealt with adults and children from all walks of life for over 75 years.

I have also met and talked briefly with Kate.  I have witnessed her openess with the PJ, admitting things that others might have kept their mouths shut about.

I have seen Jane Tanner on video, having to put up with her words and observations being overuled by a forgetful Gerry .... then breaking her heart as she recalls that "if only she had realised the relevance of her sighting of a man carrying a child" on that fateful night.

Seems that most of your experience of life is in the classroom or with a very narrow group of people ?

To the contrary sadie.

My experience of people is extensive and far beyond the classroom.

I also can see when people lie.

I recommend you STRONGLY and I mean STRONGLY watch videos of the mccanns and their non-verbal and verbal responses.

Very revealing.

[sadie]

What sort of people do you mix with Stephen, that you disbelieve everything the Tapas group say?  To do with the Madeleine case, you only disbelieve the Mccanns and their supporters.

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Oh, on a lighter note:  We won the Ashes !  That should bring a smile to your face !

Admin.  What false comment am I supposed to have made?


You realise that you are calling me a liar.  Please explain publicly

[Mr Gray]

The statistics support the fact that in the majority of cases there is parental involvement. You are sighting cases where there was not parental involvement - that is a small minority of cases. The fact that they got such an enormous amount of publicity was because that kind of stranger abduction, is very rare. It also sells newspapers as it taps into parental fear and anxiety and creates an atmosphere of pananoia.

I presume that the McCanns were seeking to generate such an atmosphere. The chaos, confusion, dread and so on. It is all colourfully described in Kate's book which reads more like a piece of fiction than anything else.

Some of the purple passages are just cringe worthy and, as I have written before, they do not ring true because it takes time to process traumatic events. In the first instance, the response is more likely to be either one of intense clarity and focus (in order to achieve the best outcome, knowing that panic is counter-productive) or possibly denial or dissociation.

The type of 'blind panic' described so passionately in Kate's book - which she claims she felt within a few minutes of finding Madeleine missing - does not ring true.

I'M citing cases where children have been reported missing and a police investigation has followed...the statistics show that most are genuine...contradict them with actual cases if you can...what happened to your claim that I was lying and you had statistics to back it up re fatal accidents in the home..it seems that you have been found out to be the liar.

[Mr Gray]

To the contrary sadie.

My experience of people is extensive and far beyond the classroom.

I also can see when people lie.

I recommend you STRONGLY and I mean STRONGLY watch videos of the mccanns and their non-verbal and verbal responses.

Very revealing.

You are basing your opinions..and that's all they are ..on your judgement...I think you are totally deluded and it seems that SY agree with me...non verbal responses..you are talking about junk science

[Carana]

Statistically speaking, what percentage of those were taken from their holiday apartment after having been left alone by their parents night after night?

What were the statistics as at Sept 10 2001 about two commercial flights deliberately flying into the Twin Towers?

[AnneGuedes]

What were the statistics as at Sept 10 2001 about two commercial flights deliberately flying into the Twin Towers?

Why are you kidding ?

[Jean-Pierre]

What were the statistics as at Sept 10 2001 about two commercial flights deliberately flying into the Twin Towers?

That is very fair point, Carana.

Statistics have a use, in risk assessment. 

But actual events are binary.       

[Sherlock Holmes]

That is very fair point, Carana.

Statistics have a use, in risk assessment. 

But actual events are binary.     

This point has been made many times here, but it seems to be easily forgotten...

[AnneGuedes]

This point has been made many times here, but it seems to be easily forgotten...

What were the statistics at May 2 2007 about a little girl being deliberately  smacked in the flat G5A of Praia da Luz ?