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Offline Eleanor

Re: The Find Madeleine Campaign. Controlled Strategy or Runaway Tiger?
« Reply #90 on: January 02, 2014, 01:31:07 AM »
However, they chose not to and so continue to  suffer the consequence of that decision.

Suffer what consequences?  Please could you elucidate?

Offline Angelo222

Re: The Find Madeleine Campaign. Controlled Strategy or Runaway Tiger?
« Reply #91 on: January 02, 2014, 01:32:55 AM »
I am not a liar.

They are considering the same person that I am Angelo.  Maybe others too.

There are dozens of indicators Angelo, but you have to find the key, which I was lucky enough to do.

[b]I always know that I could be wrong, but too many co-incidences and pointers imo ... and I do know SY are looking at the same person [/b]

As I have said before this guy is VERY VERY elite and also clever and VERY rich.  A global man who speaks several languages like a native.  It is my belief that he is backed by a whiter than white organisation of mega import globally. 

That is all I am saying.


I hope you have to eat your words Angelo, but I fear this guy and his backing organisation are untouchable, so never charged.

If I am right, Angelo, I hope you will be gentleman enough to apologise

Wishful thinking Sadie.  Madeleine never made it out of the area and one day that will be established.

De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

Je ne regrette rien!!

Offline sadie

Re: The Find Madeleine Campaign. Controlled Strategy or Runaway Tiger?
« Reply #92 on: January 02, 2014, 01:36:47 AM »
I tend to agree CPN, it might have been 50 metres as the crow flies from the patio of 5a to the tapas tent but it might as well have been 500 metres.  In the darkness, in a noisy restaurant tent, the parents hadn't a hope in hell of hearing or seeing those children had they been in peril.  Stating otherwise is sheer hypocrisy.
I wonder why Amaral stated that no abductor would have gone in via the patiodoors then?  He stated that the family /tapas group were too close at 50 metres, and over lookin,  for an intruder to have risked it.  That was when he first stated that Madekeine died in the apartment cos there was no way in. 

After all the front door was locked, so no-one could get in that way either

Plonker !

Offline sadie

Re: The Find Madeleine Campaign. Controlled Strategy or Runaway Tiger?
« Reply #93 on: January 02, 2014, 01:43:50 AM »
Wishful thinking Sadie.  Madeleine never made it out of the area and one day that will be established.

Angelo I am VERY angry with you for calling me a twister, a liar, and a maker of convoluted statements.  I know that I dont always express myself very well, but to call me a liar and a twister of statements at any time, but most especially on a forum such as this!    A forum which allows the [ censored word] to lie thru their teeth, spin and twist on a daily basis, is an insult I cannot tolerate

You owe me a bloody big apology and piublicly

Offline colombosstogey

Re: The Find Madeleine Campaign. Controlled Strategy or Runaway Tiger?
« Reply #94 on: January 02, 2014, 06:30:24 AM »
I am not a liar.

They are considering the same person that I am Angelo.  Maybe others too.

There are dozens of indicators Angelo, but you have to find the key, which I was lucky enough to do.

[b]I always know that I could be wrong, but too many co-incidences and pointers imo ... and I do know SY are looking at the same person [/b]

As I have said before this guy is VERY VERY elite and also clever and VERY rich.  A global man who speaks several languages like a native.  It is my belief that he is backed by a whiter than white organisation of mega import globally. 

That is all I am saying.


I hope you have to eat your words Angelo, but I fear this guy and his backing organisation are untouchable, so never charged.

If I am right, Angelo, I hope you will be gentleman enough to apologise

So this very very elite guy was clocked by Jane Tanner carrying the child away. I say this as I note you believe this sighting.....

IF this guy is so elite and global, why one earth would he need to purchase a child from a holiday camp when there are thousands of pretty young blonde girls languishing in filthy conditions all over Eastern Europe in orphanages.....

I know who you are speaking of he has been mentioned before and I believe he speaks German pretty fluently too.

Perhaps he also belongs to the Freemasons......

I have heard this theory more then once over the world wide web.......

Anyway musnt go off topic............

Offline colombosstogey

Re: The Find Madeleine Campaign. Controlled Strategy or Runaway Tiger?
« Reply #95 on: January 02, 2014, 07:08:58 AM »
I believe in the saying too many cooks spoils the broth......(being a chef of course).

I think at the beginning the request to send a poster supplied by the McCanns team by as many people as possible (myself included we did this in our office and sent it to companies abroad) was a great idea. It went VIRAL. Everyone was doing it. What a great way to get the childs disappearance noticed.....NOTHING wrong in that.

Then it just went haywire. You couldnt get away from the McCanns. Their online shop, photos of them smiling showing off T shirts, then the money pouring in and being used to hire detectives.....not even experienced in child abduction...

A phone number was supplied RING IT. A MASSIVE REWARD was offered.........it was NEVER CLAIMED.

Then the pink shirt guy who came over like a robot YOU MUST LOOK AT THIS EFIT, you must ring this number.....ANY SIGHTING is important, and it went on and on.

The McCanns went to see the Pope lucky them, (children are dying of terrible cancers and they cant get an audience with the Pope), they went off to other countries, were on GMTV, Ophrah, on and on and on and on AND EVERYTIME they made the same EXCUSE it was like being in your garden WE DID NOTHING WRONG. It was a MANTRA.....in the end people got fed up of hearing about it. DOCTORS making excuses......this went horribly wrong for them, as people started to turn against them.

The constant pushing by detectives and pink man, the fact they disclosed that the child had a rare eye defect (AGAINST ALL ADVICE), THE phone number which brought in all the sightings from all over the world, RUINED any chances the child could have had to be found alive if she was abducted by child pedophile ring.

The child was simply TOO HOT TO HANDLE.

Then the suing began......WHAT amazes me no one was allowed to write anything NEGATIVE about the McCanns to do so would get them CARTER RUCKED, yet only recently The Sun and other Red tops were allowed to print things like MADDY FOUND IN GREECE, MADDY FOUND IN IRELAND. ROMA GYPSIES CHILD ABDUCTORS, BLACK TRACTOR MAN MURDERING DRUG ADDICT, and not one word said against any of this...NOT ONE CARTER RUCK or sue.......WHAT IS GOOD FOR THE GOOSE............IS NOT GOOD FOR THE GANDER OBVIOUSLY.


ALL THESE THINGS make people ANGRY. The injustice of it, the xenopobia carried alonside the McCanns case, the amount of families TORN APART by it.....the debris is HUGE...........

The Madness or the Tiger devoured her...........

The McCanns should have stopped with the poster campaign and let the police do their job.

What they did had the opposite effect. The police were so overcome by sightings, and creepy people that any real detective work was lost. They had to check EVERYTHING. They were villified by McCann supporters it became almost sickening. The same police force who have high level of expertise in child disappearance, and NOT ONE child has ever been SNATCHED from a bed in Portugal.

IF THIS CHILD HAD GONE MISSING IN THE UK....I bet your bottom dollar Scotland Yard would never have allowed the McCanns to get involved or interfere in anyway.

The FMC became not about Madeleine but it changed to Get Amaral Campaign........it became nasty, and left a horrible taste in the mouth.......
  This was ENCOURAGED BY MRS MCCANN in her own book, who had the AUDACITY to say “I think I could probably forgive Madeleine's abductor, yet wants harm to Amaral.....

I would say at the beginning of this journey 80% of my family and friends thought the child had been abducted they believed EVERYTHING the McCanns said, now its about 5%...The rest of them are just FED UP OF READING about it, they are sick to death of it, what a real shame for the child...when they hear the word McCann they turn the T.V. over, they no longer read the BULLcrap in the papers, and their eyes just roll and they sigh.....

Even hardened McCann supporters like my care worker has turned away from them.

No the tiger was unleashed by the McCanns and sadly the Tiger devoured her.............

stephen25000

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Re: The Find Madeleine Campaign. Controlled Strategy or Runaway Tiger?
« Reply #96 on: January 02, 2014, 08:04:37 AM »
I note as per normal, a certain party was still trying to excuse the mccanns as if they were wining and dining in their back garden.

They weren't, they were in a BAR, eating and drinking.

So for once and for all, stop giving excuses, it just doesn't wash.

Meanwhile the cost of SY's review, now in excess of £6.34 million..............................and counting.
« Last Edit: January 02, 2014, 09:28:09 AM by stephen25000 »

CPN

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Re: The Find Madeleine Campaign. Controlled Strategy or Runaway Tiger?
« Reply #97 on: January 02, 2014, 09:50:54 AM »
I disagree about it not being like a back garden.  Have you been and seen CPN ?

I know of many houses and cottages that have 50+ metre back gardens, with direct back or side door access to the street.

Many peeps live in towns where houses are packed and it would be unusual to find the 50 metre and side access in them ... but in the Country such situations and with cottages right on the street are not in the least rare.

As has been said time and again - 50 meters ( if that was what you insist, others say further) is as the crow flies  I believe.  I look at the route taken on maps (no I have not been there) and "as the crow flies" is totally irrelevant.   And on unfamiliar ground anyway so their own back garden is irrelevant.  And in a foreign country where the children were not known nor knew their surroundings well.  It all comes across as such rubbish , Sadie, whether "peeps" (what peeping has to do with it I do not know) live in packed houses or cottages in the country is irrelevant; these children were left in a foreign country for a length of time, be it half an hour or longer or shorter, where the dangers of leaving an unsupervised child, let alone three, were numerous and should have been obvious to anyone, let alone trained and experienced doctors. 

CPN

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Re: The Find Madeleine Campaign. Controlled Strategy or Runaway Tiger?
« Reply #98 on: January 02, 2014, 10:06:35 AM »
Quote from Kates book.  (Again)

.......however unwittingly we'd given this predator an opportunity..  We had not been there for Madeleine. And, as I've said before and will say again, our guilt over that is a heavv cross we will bear for the rest of our lives.
Page 202
End quote

IMO those are not the words of someone who feels they bear no responsibility or fault. 

I posted the above quote the last time you made a similar comment and you ignored it.   If you don't think it's an expression of guilt - then what do you think it is?

I have no problem with people who criticise the McCann's child checking arrangements, but I do have a problem with folk who appear to believe that those arrangements justify the horrific actions of the perpetrator -  whose crime the McCanns have admitted they themselves enabled and for which they will carry the guilt for the rest of their lives. 

Your repeated claim that the McCanns have refused to acknowledge any fault or responsiblity is wrong IMO.    What more do you want - sackcloth and ashes?

Sorry if I "ignored" a posting of yours before, Benice.   I am not on here full time and do not always read everything to catch up when I have been away, it depends on my time available.  I usually answer posts directed to me unless the poster has been rude, then I do not see why I should bother to answer

If there was indeed an abductor I never have and never, ever would justify his / her actions.  But it comes back to the lack of admission that leaving the children alone was wrong and others should not do it - and as I have said many times before also, not because of possible abduction, which its very rare but because of possible dangers in the home (in this case not a familiar home, but a holiday apartment)  Leave the "abductor" out of it - it is still wrong to leave young children alone and unsupervised; and yet Kate said in the introduction to the Crime Watch programme that they had done "nothing wrong".  So no, I do not want sack cloth and ashes; I personally would like a consistent acknowledgement that they DID do some thing wrong in leaving the children alone and others should not repeat it - not for reason of possible abduction either, but for the myriad of other reasons which have led to the government and NSPCC guideline on this matter.

« Last Edit: January 02, 2014, 11:08:58 AM by CPN »

CPN

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Re: The Find Madeleine Campaign. Controlled Strategy or Runaway Tiger?
« Reply #99 on: January 02, 2014, 10:13:35 AM »
Angelo I am VERY angry with you for calling me a twister, a liar, and a maker of convoluted statements.  I know that I dont always express myself very well, but to call me a liar and a twister of statements at any time, but most especially on a forum such as this!    A forum which allows the [ censored word] to lie thru their teeth, spin and twist on a daily basis, is an insult I cannot tolerate

You owe me a bloody big apology and piublicly

It was agreed long back that the use of the word "anti" was not acceptable.  The poster concerned found it amusing; eventually a moderator repeated what has long been established here.   Could you please remove your word or I will report your post.  From Sherlock Holmes, Moderator - "A polite reminder to all that the terms 'pro' and 'anti' are best avoided." - http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2784.msg115848#new

No doubt you would call me an "anti".  I am not anti the McCanns; as others have said time and again I am against some of their actions, mainly leaving three young children out of sight and hearing.  I am "pro" the children, and especially Madeleine; it could be argued that you are "anti" child safety and I am sure you would not like that. 
« Last Edit: January 02, 2014, 10:58:44 AM by CPN »

Offline Eleanor

Re: The Find Madeleine Campaign. Controlled Strategy or Runaway Tiger?
« Reply #100 on: January 02, 2014, 10:32:22 AM »

It is only an opinion that The McCann's actions were wrong.  It was not and is still not a crime.

CPN

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Re: The Find Madeleine Campaign. Controlled Strategy or Runaway Tiger?
« Reply #101 on: January 02, 2014, 10:38:51 AM »
It is only an opinion that The McCann's actions were wrong.  It was not and is still not a crime.

And I have said, and will repeat again, Eleanor, that if this behaviour had come to the attention of the Children's Departments of the Local Authorities in the UK where I worked, it would have ben investigated and action taken. I have had to investigate far less "criminal" behaviour - our concern is always the welfare of the child(ren) and the welfare of the McCann children was put at risk.  This does not mean that they would necessarily have been prosecuted, prosecution being a last resort.  But action would most certainly have been taken, I can assure you.

Offline sadie

Re: The Find Madeleine Campaign. Controlled Strategy or Runaway Tiger?
« Reply #102 on: January 02, 2014, 10:54:41 AM »
So this very very elite guy was clocked by Jane Tanner carrying the child away. I say this as I note you believe this sighting.....

IF this guy is so elite and global, why one earth would he need to purchase a child from a holiday camp when there are thousands of pretty young blonde girls languishing in filthy conditions all over Eastern Europe in orphanages.....

I know who you are speaking of he has been mentioned before and I believe he speaks German pretty fluently too.

Perhaps he also belongs to the Freemasons......

I have heard this theory more then once over the world wide web.......

Anyway musnt go off topic............
When did I say that HE carried Madeleine away?


And I am sure that YOU DO KNOW who I am talking about, unless you know the man.  I have never seen anything about his being associated with Germany.   But I would lay a level bet that he is competent at German.
He speak many languages

Have you thought that he might have a specific child in mind?

Offline sadie

Re: The Find Madeleine Campaign. Controlled Strategy or Runaway Tiger?
« Reply #103 on: January 02, 2014, 11:10:18 AM »
I note as per normal, a certain party was still trying to excuse the mccanns as if they were wining and dining in their back garden.

They weren't, they were in a BAR, eating and drinking.

So for once and for all, stop giving excuses, it just doesn't wash.

Meanwhile the cost of SY's review, now in excess of £6.34 million..............................and counting.
They were  NOT in a BAR.  The bar was in the indoor building next door.   They were in an outside restaurant

Get it right Stephen


Please can we have sources for the figure you mention

Offline Mr Gray

Re: The Find Madeleine Campaign. Controlled Strategy or Runaway Tiger?
« Reply #104 on: January 02, 2014, 11:29:54 AM »
And I have said, and will repeat again, Eleanor, that if this behaviour had come to the attention of the Children's Departments of the Local Authorities in the UK where I worked, it would have ben investigated and action taken. I have had to investigate far less "criminal" behaviour - our concern is always the welfare of the child(ren) and the welfare of the McCann children was put at risk.  This does not mean that they would necessarily have been prosecuted, prosecution being a last resort.  But action would most certainly have been taken, I can assure you.

 So can we therefore assume that the other families in the group who left their children have been visited by social workers and action taken...I don't think so