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Offline Carana

Re: Did the burglaries at Ocean Club have some relevance to Madeleine?
« Reply #135 on: January 08, 2014, 03:15:07 PM »
Burglary 2006 (disturbed by child) = Only one thief seen.
Burglary apartment 5L (successful) = No indication of any more than one thief.
Burglary apartment in block 2 (successful) = No indication of any more than one thief.
Burglary apartment 5G (disturbed by resident) = Only one thief seen.
There is no evidence of any gang of 3 burglars in any of these PDL burglaries.
Lone burglars yes, gangs of 3 no.

I suppose it's possible for one person to make off with a plasma TV, credit cards and a mobile phone, but it might have been a bit awkward, depending on the size.

Maria Da Graca Guerreiro Alao Goncalves (OC book-keeper):

She says that as far as she can remember, during the years that she has worked at the resort, she knows of some thefts from inside the apartments and most recently on 16th April 2007 there was a theft from an apartment in Block 5 L, from where a plasma display screen, credit cards and a mobile phone belonging to the respective guests were taken.



Offline jassi

Re: Did the burglaries at Ocean Club have some relevance to Madeleine?
« Reply #136 on: January 08, 2014, 03:19:41 PM »
I suppose it's possible for one person to make off with a plasma TV, credit cards and a mobile phone, but it might have been a bit awkward, depending on the size.

Maria Da Graca Guerreiro Alao Goncalves (OC book-keeper):

She says that as far as she can remember, during the years that she has worked at the resort, she knows of some thefts from inside the apartments and most recently on 16th April 2007 there was a theft from an apartment in Block 5 L, from where a plasma display screen, credit cards and a mobile phone belonging to the respective guests were taken.


I wonder if she meant a TV or rather something more like a portable computer, as it is unlikely that a guest would have their own TV with them on holiday.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Did the burglaries at Ocean Club have some relevance to Madeleine?
« Reply #137 on: January 08, 2014, 03:26:00 PM »
I wonder if she meant a TV or rather something more like a portable computer, as it is unlikely that a guest would have their own TV with them on holiday.

Yep she didn't say 50" plasma did she.
I could easily carry a smaller tv under one arm with phones & credit cards in my pockets.
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Offline Sherlock Holmes

Re: Did the burglaries at Ocean Club have some relevance to Madeleine?
« Reply #138 on: January 08, 2014, 03:36:53 PM »
Yep she didn't say 50" plasma did she.
I could easily carry a smaller tv under one arm with phones & credit cards in my pockets.

Sounds like the voice of experience...

Offline Sherlock Holmes

Re: Did the burglaries at Ocean Club have some relevance to Madeleine?
« Reply #139 on: January 08, 2014, 03:41:43 PM »
If Madeleine was abducted by burglars then why was nothing other than Madeleine taken? This has no logic at all. A thief may not have made off with the intended booty but would certainly have taken items easy to carry....and by that I do not mean a small child. It's just nonsense!

Interesting point, buzz. But do we know that there were small and portable items of value in 5A to take?

Perhaps the McCanns had their money / cards etc, with them. Jewelry - most people don't take their expensive jewelry on holiday, or if they do they have it in a safe.

Perhaps someone with an encyclopedic knowledge of the files (Redblossom?) can remember if there is any reference to the McCanns' belongings in the apartment..?

Offline pegasus

Re: Did the burglaries at Ocean Club have some relevance to Madeleine?
« Reply #140 on: January 08, 2014, 03:42:55 PM »
Who knows? Would depend on who that person was and what they were doing at the time.
Hypothesis is about 3 May apartment 5A.
Shutter noise made during attempted entry by petty thief disturbs sleeping occupant.
Resulting sound/motion of awakened occupant disturbs thief.
Thief immediately flees empty handed (does NOT take anyone).
But what does the awakened occupant do?
.... relaxedly go back to sleep?
.... run into lounge?
.... try to find adults?
.... hide?
« Last Edit: January 08, 2014, 03:46:26 PM by pegasus »

Offline Carana

Re: Did the burglaries at Ocean Club have some relevance to Madeleine?
« Reply #141 on: January 08, 2014, 03:46:28 PM »
I wonder if she meant a TV or rather something more like a portable computer, as it is unlikely that a guest would have their own TV with them on holiday.

Good point, something doesn't seem quite right. The original says "um plasma", though, which would seem to mean a TV plasma screen. If that is what it is, I would have thought that it would belong to the apartment owners.

Offline VIXTE

Re: Did the burglaries at Ocean Club have some relevance to Madeleine?
« Reply #142 on: January 08, 2014, 04:07:03 PM »
Hypothesis is about 3 May apartment 5A.
Shutter noise made during attempted entry by petty thief disturbs sleeping occupant.
Resulting sound/motion of awakened occupant disturbs thief.
Thief immediately flees empty handed (does NOT take anyone).
But what does the awakened occupant do?
.... relaxedly go back to sleep?
.... run into lounge?
.... try to find adults?
.... hide?

Very interesting!

If ,for example, going out,..occupant would need to open the curtain, open the patio doors, close the curtain, close the patio doors, open the garden doors, close the garden doors.

Thank you so much pegasus!!!!!

Such a moment!

I just thought this:
A burglar, carrying Madeleine could not get all of the above either!!!!

Makes you think:
1. Madeline did not open the window
2. Madeleine did not open the patio curtain etc etc..
3. Thief did not go with Madeleine through the patio curtain etc..

What is left is : the front doors and the key!

The intruder, whoever it was, might have had the key!

Or

He passed Madeleine through the window.. and he left tidily through the patio doors, opening the curtains, closing, opening the patio, closing, opening the garden..

OMG, was she passed through the window???
« Last Edit: January 08, 2014, 04:18:38 PM by VIXTE »

Offline jassi

Re: Did the burglaries at Ocean Club have some relevance to Madeleine?
« Reply #143 on: January 08, 2014, 04:21:34 PM »
Or was she taken out through the patio door by someone with plenty of time to go back and shut curtains etc ?
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Did the burglaries at Ocean Club have some relevance to Madeleine?
« Reply #144 on: January 08, 2014, 04:30:13 PM »
Or was she taken out through the patio door by someone with plenty of time to go back and shut curtains etc ?


Yes it could possibly be that there was never any intruder at all & the abduction is a complete fabrication.
That's possible.
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Offline pegasus

Re: Did the burglaries at Ocean Club have some relevance to Madeleine?
« Reply #145 on: January 08, 2014, 04:46:41 PM »
Thief took no-one, never got as far as climbing in, unknowingly provided the trigger which would indirectly result in accident ?

« Last Edit: January 08, 2014, 04:51:33 PM by pegasus »

Offline VIXTE

Re: Did the burglaries at Ocean Club have some relevance to Madeleine?
« Reply #146 on: January 08, 2014, 04:49:16 PM »
Or was she taken out through the patio door by someone with plenty of time to go back and shut curtains etc ?

....if they already left the window open why then carefully close the curtains, patio doors, garden doors behind and waste time plus possibly get caught while wasting time?



Offline VIXTE

Re: Did the burglaries at Ocean Club have some relevance to Madeleine?
« Reply #147 on: January 08, 2014, 04:50:40 PM »
Thief took no-one, never got as far as climbing in, unknowingly provided the trigger which would indirectly result in accident.

I don't think this is logical. How would the thief who never entered know someone was in?

If Madeleine then climbed the window, if she left the property this way -  there would be signs of her doing so.. there were no signs!
If Madeleine found her bad fate inside the property while on her own - there would be signs.. there were no signs!
« Last Edit: January 08, 2014, 04:55:21 PM by VIXTE »

Offline jassi

Re: Did the burglaries at Ocean Club have some relevance to Madeleine?
« Reply #148 on: January 08, 2014, 04:55:29 PM »
....if they already left the window open why then carefully close the curtains, patio doors, garden doors behind and waste time plus possibly get caught while wasting time?

Maybe because it wasn't a burglar in the first place?
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline VIXTE

Re: Did the burglaries at Ocean Club have some relevance to Madeleine?
« Reply #149 on: January 08, 2014, 04:57:59 PM »
Maybe because it wasn't a burglar in the first place?

So, how do you think Madeleine got out and when?