Mrs Fenn and that crying child incident revisited.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Mine are noisy, heavy aluminium (Fit the best... Everest).  But this is 5A's door, sounding louder than in the earlier video...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxUdEnQ_r9M&feature=youtu.be&t=612

Out of interest when was the footage filmed?

[Myster]

Out of interest when was the footage filmed?

It says 2007, I think.

[Vertigo Swirl]

It says 2007, I think.

It’s a recreation is it not?  I wonder if it was done in Apartment 5a or another apartment.  Not that it really matters, I expect the doors all make an audible noise when you walk through them with recording equipment.

[Myster]

It’s a recreation is it not?  I wonder if it was done in Apartment 5a or another apartment.  Not that it really matters, I expect the doors all make an audible noise when you walk through them with recording equipment.

Going through it and pausing at key points to compare front door, furniture, bathroom washbasin, kitchen sink with a plan, it looks very much like 5A. The night view of Tapas bar lights from the McCann's bedroom could also indicate the actual flat position at the end of the block.



We really need to be on location to judge the true sound level of that sliding door.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Going through it and pausing at key points to compare front door, furniture, bathroom washbasin, kitchen sink with a plan, it looks very much like 5A. The night view of Tapas bar lights from the McCann's bedroom could also indicate the actual flat position at the end of the block.



We really need to be on location to judge the true sound level of that sliding door.

We really needed to be there to judge alot of things, doesn't stop people though does it?

[jassi]

We really needed to be there to judge alot of things, doesn't stop people though does it?

Now you've gone and upset the 'google earthers' 

[Myster]

We really needed to be there to judge alot of things, doesn't stop people though does it?

Not to worry, Dr G. will soon put an end to our misery  ... or not. 

BTW - My mistake, I said the Tapas Bar night view was shot from the McCann's bedroom window, but when looking at it again it seems to more likely to be from the access balcony outside the patio door.

[Holly Goodhead]

It’s a recreation is it not?  I wonder if it was done in Apartment 5a or another apartment.  Not that it really matters, I expect the doors all make an audible noise when you walk through them with recording equipment.

If an abductor slipped in via the patio doors he/she would be mindful of noise and there would be no need for him/her to slide them right over just enough to slip in.  If my suspect is correct I would describe the person as petite.  This also corroborates the fingerprint evidence on the shutter where an unidentified print was found and thought to originate from a youth or woman but not not a child. 

Bottom line is that it doesn't matter what PF actually heard.  What's important is who she was discussing all this with and who they might have repeated to and who overheard.

[Holly Goodhead]

Not to worry, Dr G. will soon put an end to our misery  ... or not. 

BTW - My mistake, I said the Tapas Bar night view was shot from the McCann's bedroom window, but when looking at it again it seems to more likely to be from the access balcony outside the patio door.

This case is akin to the nursery slopes.  With JB/WHF we were skiing off piste.   

[misty]

Mine are noisy, heavy aluminium (Fit the best... Everest).  But this is 5A's door, sounding louder than in the earlier video...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxUdEnQ_r9M&feature=youtu.be&t=612

That was filmed in apartment G4A, not 5A. (Kitchen has a table in it & patio furniture differs, other differences too)
https://youtu.be/FxUdEnQ_r9M?t=80

You can also hear the patio door in 4A here in same video.
https://youtu.be/FxUdEnQ_r9M?t=399

[Vertigo Swirl]

Now you've gone and upset the 'google earthers' 

I should think this goes against the grain with most armchair detectives who think they can crack the case at several removes from all the evidence, the locale, the protagonists, etc.

[Vertigo Swirl]

If an abductor slipped in via the patio doors he/she would be mindful of noise and there would be no need for him/her to slide them right over just enough to slip in.  If my suspect is correct I would describe the person as petite.  This also corroborates the fingerprint evidence on the shutter where an unidentified print was found and thought to originate from a youth or woman but not not a child. 

Bottom line is that it doesn't matter what PF actually heard.  What's important is who she was discussing all this with and who they might have repeated to and who overheard.

Hmmm, using my Sherlock-like powers of deduction am I right in thinking your suspect is of the female persuasion?

[Vertigo Swirl]

That was filmed in apartment G4A, not 5A. (Kitchen has a table in it & patio furniture differs, other differences too)
https://youtu.be/FxUdEnQ_r9M?t=80

You can also hear the patio door in 4A here in same video.
https://youtu.be/FxUdEnQ_r9M?t=399

R2D2 appears to have been present during the filming of the second video.

[Myster]

That was filmed in apartment G4A, not 5A. (Kitchen has a table in it & patio furniture differs, other differences too)
https://youtu.be/FxUdEnQ_r9M?t=80

You can also hear the patio door in 4A here in same video.
https://youtu.be/FxUdEnQ_r9M?t=399

Ah, Ok... I stand corrected. 

[G-Unit]

If an abductor slipped in via the patio doors he/she would be mindful of noise and there would be no need for him/her to slide them right over just enough to slip in.  If my suspect is correct I would describe the person as petite.  This also corroborates the fingerprint evidence on the shutter where an unidentified print was found and thought to originate from a youth or woman but not not a child. 

Bottom line is that it doesn't matter what PF actually heard.  What's important is who she was discussing all this with and who they might have repeated to and who overheard.

Why someone would slip in via the patio doors and then handle the shutters I can't imagine.

However. The PJ recovered 5 of Kate McCann's fingerprints from the inside of the children's bedroom window. Three were from the middle finger of her left hand, the other two being from her forefinger. Then on 4th they found;

Side of the patio door: One adequate print recovered but not matched to known persons.

- Outside of one patio door: Eight inadequate prints were recovered.- Outside of [the other] patio door: One inadequate print was recovered.- Outside of the external blinds to the children's bedroom: three inadequate prints were recovered.

So the only adequate print was from the patio door, and that was identified as being from one of the GNR officers.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/FINGERPRINTS.htm