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Offline colombosstogey

Re: Mikaeel Kular: Mother Rosdeep Kular appears in court on murder charge.
« Reply #105 on: January 21, 2014, 06:18:20 AM »
No, I wasn't suggesting anything except that I don't think she would be posting this if she's just killed her son.

I think whatever happened, happened the day after, on the 15th

Your making an assumption SHE POSTED IT....anyone could have posted it who knew her log in.....or did it for her................................
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Offline VIXTE

Re: Mikaeel Kular: Mother Rosdeep Kular appears in court on murder charge.
« Reply #106 on: January 21, 2014, 08:27:52 AM »
Only one person, as far as it seems at this point, reports having seen him recently. That was a 17 year old girl living opposite the flat. She has been interviewed twice by police and believes she saw him on Monday.

No-one else in the area remembers seeing him for some time.

The BBC  reported that police is asking for witnesses who saw either Mikaeel or his mum between Monday and Wednesday.

Offline John

Re: Mikaeel Kular: Mother Rosdeep Kular appears in court on murder charge.
« Reply #107 on: January 21, 2014, 09:44:30 AM »
Not sure if it's him or not, now that you mention it.

Yes, many of the comments are foul. The usual knee-jerk lynchmob reaction of people who don't seem to be able to step back and wait for facts.

How will jury members actually be selected?


Jury Selection.

A group of about 30 or more potential jurors are selected randomly and instructed to turn up at Court for jury service.  As you know fifteen jurors are required for a trial in Scotland.   At the start of the trial everyone including the defendant, defence counsel, the prosecutor and the judge are gathered in Court.  The court clerk who sits just below the judge puts the names (written on little pieces of paper) of all the jurors in  a container and then proceeds to draw out and announce names one at a time.  When a name is called that person comes forward and takes their seat in the jury box.  This continues until all 15 places are filled. Jurors who have knowledge of the defendant or his family or who are unable to sit through an extended trial for any reason or who feel compromised are excused.  At the end the jury is asked to select a spokesperson or foreman, this in many cases ends up being juror number 15.  When the process is concluded the remaining potential jurors are excused.  The judge then welcomes the jury members and swears them in.  The trial can then commence.

Jury members are told not to discuss the case outside the court and not to read any media reports relating to the proceedings.
« Last Edit: January 21, 2014, 09:59:16 AM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. John Lamberton exposes egregious malfeasance by public officials.
The truth never changes with the passage of time.

AnneGuedes

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Re: Mikaeel Kular: Mother Rosdeep Kular appears in court on murder charge.
« Reply #108 on: January 21, 2014, 01:16:51 PM »

Jury Selection.

A group of about 30 or more potential jurors are selected randomly and instructed to turn up at Court for jury service.  As you know fifteen jurors are required for a trial in Scotland.   At the start of the trial everyone including the defendant, defence counsel, the prosecutor and the judge are gathered in Court.  The court clerk who sits just below the judge puts the names (written on little pieces of paper) of all the jurors in  a container and then proceeds to draw out and announce names one at a time.  When a name is called that person comes forward and takes their seat in the jury box.  This continues until all 15 places are filled. Jurors who have knowledge of the defendant or his family or who are unable to sit through an extended trial for any reason or who feel compromised are excused.  At the end the jury is asked to select a spokesperson or foreman, this in many cases ends up being juror number 15.  When the process is concluded the remaining potential jurors are excused.  The judge then welcomes the jury members and swears them in.  The trial can then commence.

Jury members are told not to discuss the case outside the court and not to read any media reports relating to the proceedings.
The room left to chance in this selection is appalling.

Offline Sherlock Holmes

Re: Mikaeel Kular: Mother Rosdeep Kular appears in court on murder charge.
« Reply #109 on: January 21, 2014, 06:19:18 PM »
This set-up is not dissimilar to the English system, where lots or cards bearing potential jurors' names are shuffled and selected.

The main difference is the number of people on the jury, with the controversial 15 person jury in Scotland.
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Offline John

Re: Mikaeel Kular: Mother Rosdeep Kular appears in court on murder charge.
« Reply #110 on: January 21, 2014, 07:16:57 PM »
The room left to chance in this selection is appalling.

That's exactly what justice in Scotland amounts to Anne...a lottery!
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. John Lamberton exposes egregious malfeasance by public officials.
The truth never changes with the passage of time.

Online Davel

Re: Mikaeel Kular: Mother Rosdeep Kular appears in court on murder charge.
« Reply #111 on: January 21, 2014, 07:25:59 PM »
The room left to chance in this selection is appalling.

yes ..much better to beat a confession out of the suspect and find them guilty...this jury system is used throughout the civilised world...The UK ...the USA ..it is not appalling
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AnneGuedes

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Re: Mikaeel Kular: Mother Rosdeep Kular appears in court on murder charge.
« Reply #112 on: January 21, 2014, 07:29:26 PM »
That's exactly what justice in Scotland amounts to Anne...a lottery!
The lottery aspect can't be totally evacuated(what if the president learnt his wife has a lover in the morning of the hearing ? What if the prosecutor has stomach pain ?)but it should be reduced as much as possible through a package of measures.
Professional jurors aren't a solution as well. And it's a good principle that the people are represented.
That makes a very interesting debate for sure.



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AnneGuedes

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Re: Mikaeel Kular: Mother Rosdeep Kular appears in court on murder charge.
« Reply #113 on: January 21, 2014, 07:30:40 PM »
yes ..much better to beat a confession out of the suspect and find them guilty...this jury system is used throughout the civilised world...The UK ...the USA ..it is not appalling
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Redblossom

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« Reply #114 on: January 21, 2014, 07:45:39 PM »
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Guantanamo bay is such an inspiration I agree  to all forward thinking democracies
 8((()*/
held without charges or trial indefinitely and kept like animals



As is police! In "civilised countries"  just shooting at will at people with no evidence, or just beating innocent passers by in some demonstration and killing them,  as is the rendition scandal! Etc etc etc

and as IF bullying even if not physical of suspects by police dont go on.......psychological bullying is as destructive to an innocent person

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Lyall

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Re: Mikaeel Kular: Mother Rosdeep Kular appears in court on murder charge.
« Reply #115 on: January 21, 2014, 07:55:35 PM »
yes ..much better to beat a confession out of the suspect and find them guilty...this jury system is used throughout the civilised world...The UK ...the USA ..it is not appalling

Are you really giving the US justice system the big thumbs up when coerced plea bargaining is such a big factor there? >@@(*&)

It probably increasingly is here too.

Online Davel

Re: Mikaeel Kular: Mother Rosdeep Kular appears in court on murder charge.
« Reply #116 on: January 21, 2014, 08:00:12 PM »
Guantanamo bay is such an inspiration I agree  to all forward thinking democracies
 8((()*/
held without charges or trial indefinitely and kept like animals



As is police! In "civilised countries"  just shooting at will at people with no evidence, or just beating innocent passers by in some demonstration and killing them,  as is the rendition scandal! Etc etc etc

and as IF bullying even if not physical of suspects by police dont go on.......psycholigical bullying is as destructive to an innocent person

 you can all criticise but can you come up with a better system...If you were to be tried for a crime..which country would you choose.. I think the uk is pretty good
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Redblossom

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Re: Mikaeel Kular: Mother Rosdeep Kular appears in court on murder charge.
« Reply #117 on: January 21, 2014, 08:01:26 PM »
Are you really giving the US justice system the big thumbs up when coerced plea bargaining is such a big factor there? >@@(*&)

It probably increasingly is here too.

I watched many a law and order and was shocked!

The US has a very harsh system.....
but some so totally guilty feckers evade justice nonetheless.....
« Last Edit: January 21, 2014, 08:07:39 PM by Redblossom »

Lyall

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Re: Mikaeel Kular: Mother Rosdeep Kular appears in court on murder charge.
« Reply #118 on: January 21, 2014, 08:09:48 PM »
you can all criticise but can you come up with a better system...If you were to be tried for a crime..which country would you choose.. I think the uk is pretty good

Probably money isn't as big a factor here (I hope that's not naive - I know legal aid rules are being changed). But we know money definitely rules in the US.

So I'd say whichever country where you can be well represented with being a millionaire ?>)()<

Lyall

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Re: Mikaeel Kular: Mother Rosdeep Kular appears in court on murder charge.
« Reply #119 on: January 21, 2014, 08:14:41 PM »
I watched many a law and order and was shocked!

The US has a very harsh system.....
but some so totally guilty feckers evade justice nonetheless.....

Is Law and Order the one with William Shatner in it? 8(>((