The Ian Horrock's Report on the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

[Redblossom]

They dont indicate anything solid, without forensic evidence.  And there was none.

Bloody hell LOL

 

cadaver dogs indicate with or  without remains or forensics.....they smell scent of death and even months  and years after the source has been removed.... A scent science cant corroborate at this time.....wonderful dogs and their capability here recognised by many.


Mcann problem not the dogs


Ignorance is so ugly

[Benice]

Bloody hell LOL

 

cadaver dogs indicate with or  without remains or forensics.....they smell scent of death and even months  and years after the source has been removed.... A scent science cant corroborate at this time.....wonderful dogs and their capability here recognised by many.


Mcann problem not the dogs


Ignorance is so ugly

But it is the very fact that the dogs skills are so extensive - (as you say they can detect scents decades old) - which actually works against them.     How much easier it would have been if they could only detect scent from say - a couple of months ago.

Ironically it was their wonderful skills which became the spanner in the works.   IMO.

[AnneGuedes]

But it is the very fact that the dogs skills are so extensive - (as you say they can detect scents decades old) - which actually works against them.     How much easier it would have been if they could only detect scent from say - a couple of months ago.

Ironically it was their wonderful skills which became the spanner in the works.   IMO.

Scientists are precisely working about the capacity of a well trained dog to recognize the scent of 3 months remains and the scent of 10 years old remains, while the VOC are different or rather at different rates.

[sadie]

Bloody hell LOL

 

cadaver dogs indicate with or  without remains or forensics.....they smell scent of death and even months  and years after the source has been removed.... A scent science cant corroborate at this time.....wonderful dogs and their capability here recognised by many.


Mcann problem not the dogs


Ignorance is so ugly

Ignorance is SOOO UGLY.  I agree. 



What about the fact that they also indicate to sweat, wee, finger nails, blood etc.

Can you provide the forensics please Red ?  No you cant, becos there were none that meant anything ... and you know it

Please provide the forensics that prove a cadavar and stop showing YOUR ignorance and rudeness.

As you can see I can do that too, if necessary.

[sadie]

Thank you Anne. And yes Sadie,I agree there must have been a light source somewhere to allow Matt to be able to see the twins. But, this must have also have been the case for GM's 9pm check...he was able to stand for a while (according to him) and look at Madeleine. I'm sure he wouldn't have turned the light on for fear of waking them?

Amanda, there was a lamp in the sitting room.  This gave sufficient illumination for Matt to be able to read the titles of some books on the bookcase, he said.  The door was normally left cracked open, but was apparantly wider open when Matt visually checked the twins.

I rarely read the statements now, cos thru obsessive demands for me to prove every word I wrote, i stupidly read all that tiny print and have harmed my eyesight.  So I am relying on memory.

But I seem to remember that in one of his statements, Matt said that it seemed as tho a faint light was coming from the window into the room.  As the light level outside was low becos of the tree canopies being so dense that they prevented the street light penetrating, then it seems likely that the shutters were raised a little.  Maybe it was the lull before the storm and no breeze about, cos he didn't comment about curtains fluttering as far as I can remember.

No light would come thru closed shutters.   If Matt was correct about some light coming from the window, the abduction had already finished it seems.   That times the abduction between 9.10 and 9.30ish.  Fits well with Jane Tanners sighting.

The weather conditions with gusts that I have mentioned, in earlier threads, were for 10pm at Lagos and Faro IIRC.  Also, somewhere, it said that the winds were strengthening and the sea conditions worsening

[slartibartfast]

They dont indicate anything solid, without forensic evidence.  And there was none.

They indicate. As Davel says, there is strong evidence and weak evidence, but it is all evidence.

[Cariad]

Ignorance is SOOO UGLY.  I agree. 



What about the fact that they also indicate to sweat, wee, finger nails, blood etc.

Can you provide the forensics please Red ?  No you cant, becos there were none that meant anything ... and you know it

Please provide the forensics that prove a cadavar and stop showing YOUR ignorance and rudeness.

As you can see I can do that too, if necessary.

If this were true cadaver dogs would always alert. Even the most clean of places will have had some of those things present at some time.

I would google it and provide links, but my eyes are suffering from the complete load of absolute rubbish they've been subjected to this morning from certain posters.

[Benice]

If this were true cadaver dogs would always alert. Even the most clean of places will have had some of those things present at some time.I would google it and provide links, but my eyes are suffering from the complete load of absolute rubbish they've been subjected to this morning from certain posters.

No they wouldn't IMO.    Working dogs are only on duty when their handlers put them on duty.  The rest of the time they behave exactly like any other dogs.   

[Cariad]

No they wouldn't IMO.    Working dogs are only on duty when their handlers put them on duty.  The rest of the time they behave exactly like any other dogs.

Lets says that that's true. They would still alert at every crime scene while on duty. They would always alert, making any alert meaningless.

[Lyall]

Ignorance is SOOO UGLY.  I agree. 



What about the fact that they also indicate to sweat, wee, finger nails, blood etc.

Can you provide the forensics please Red ?  No you cant, becos there were none that meant anything ... and you know it

Please provide the forensics that prove a cadavar and stop showing YOUR ignorance and rudeness.

As you can see I can do that too, if necessary.

Toenails, Sadie? >@@(*&)

[Benice]

Lets says that that's true. They would still alert at every crime scene while on duty. They would always alert, making any alert meaningless.

It depends on how long they were made to search IMO.   That was made patently obvious in the car seaches IMO.      But we have done all this before - and so no point in going over and over the same ground again.  I have based my posts on what Martin Grime has told us about his dogs abilities - they are not my claims they are his.

[AnneGuedes]

It depends on how long they were made to search IMO.   That was made patently obvious in the car seaches IMO.      But we have done all this before - and so no point in going over and over the same ground again.  I have based my posts on what Martin Grime has told us about his dogs abilities - they are not my claims they are his.

I'm not sure that Mr Grime would recognize here his talk about his dogs' abilities.. Has he for instance said that "it depends on how long they were made to search" or is that purely IYO ?
It's a question of concentration of VOCs in the air, Benice.

[Wonderfulspam]

Toenails, Sadie? >@@(*&)

Pork Scratchings.

Sean had a taste for Sea Bass & pig pieces.

[faithlilly]

Amanda, there was a lamp in the sitting room.  This gave sufficient illumination for Matt to be able to read the titles of some books on the bookcase, he said.  The door was normally left cracked open, but was apparantly wider open when Matt visually checked the twins.

I rarely read the statements now, cos thru obsessive demands for me to prove every word I wrote, i stupidly read all that tiny print and have harmed my eyesight.  So I am relying on memory.

But I seem to remember that in one of his statements, Matt said that it seemed as tho a faint light was coming from the window into the room.  As the light level outside was low becos of the tree canopies being so dense that they prevented the street light penetrating, then it seems likely that the shutters were raised a little.  Maybe it was the lull before the storm and no breeze about, cos he didn't comment about curtains fluttering as far as I can remember.

No light would come thru closed shutters.   If Matt was correct about some light coming from the window, the abduction had already finished it seems.   That times the abduction between 9.10 and 9.30ish.  Fits well with Jane Tanners sighting.

The weather conditions with gusts that I have mentioned, in earlier threads, were for 10pm at Lagos and Faro IIRC.  Also, somewhere, it said that the winds were strengthening and the sea conditions worsening

Matt had never checked on the McCann children before that night.

[AnneGuedes]

Matt had never checked on the McCann children before that night.

Nor did he say he checked on any other child during the week.
He listens at 9, all quiet in 5A, but he's not heard or believed or whatever and his check is checked...
Nevertheless he checks at 9:30...