Innocentman came forward in 2007!

[Mr Gray]

There is an old saying to the effect, 'if you can't take criticism, don 't dish it'

 I don't mind criticism at all ...I asked you for evidence to support your statement...it would appear that SY are ignorant and also have unquestioning support for the McCanns

[Sherlock Holmes]

In exactly the same way,there is no evidence there was no involvement, and no evidence of a stranger, so how can it be the mostly likely scenario that she was abducted, when you  have said statistics pont otherwise....it can only be a personal belief/judgement/informed opinion

There is a lot of circumstantial evidence in this case...I would wager a bet most of it is anti abduction rather than the other way around, but then thats just my personal informed judgement too

No authority anywhere has said this was an abduction, inded the FCO office have the case classed as a missing person because there is no evidence of an abduction..see last sentence in second link, both pages linked for completeness


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As I said further down the quote, we have to remember that very high levels of proof are required before accusing anyone of the types of crimes the McCanns would have to be involved in if they were guilty of anything. And we don't have any such proof.

Abduction obviously requires proof also , but I believe that to accuse the McCanns of killing or concealing their own child, we need more.

[Mr Gray]

As I said further down the quote, we have to remember that very high levels of proof are required before accusing anyone of the types of crimes the McCanns would have to be involved in if they were guilty of anything. And we don't have any such proof.

Abduction obviously requires proof also , but I believe that to accuse the McCanns of killing or concealing their own child, we need more.

very well put

[AnneGuedes]

Did she??? I never read that anywhere....cos that would 1000 per cent rule out tannerman!

It's just a guess... I've a feeling about who is Innocentman (look at the creche reports). Had she been blond, DCI Redwood hadn't hesitated to say so to manage Ms Tanner's reputation.

[Sherlock Holmes]

True. But in spite of that, it was put in the bin. Why ?

I don't know, Anne. You would be in a better position to answer that than me.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-key-witness-accuses-2433328#.UuQp8dIo6t8

[Redblossom]

As I said further down the quote, we have to remember that very high levels of proof are required before accusing anyone of the types of crimes the McCanns would have to be involved in if they were guilty of anything. And we don't have any such proof.

Abduction obviously requires proof also , but I believe that to accuse the McCanns of killing or concealing their own child, we need more.

Very few people accuse them of it.....but suspicion is justifiable, my post was about why stranger abduction is more likely than anythng else

[AnneGuedes]

I don't know, Anne. You would be in a better position to answer that than me.

It's not reasonable to say "I don't know". At least if you try to understand.

[Mr Gray]

Very few people accuse them of it.....but suspicion is justifiable, my post was about why stranger abduction is more likely than anythng else

 I think..and it appears that SY agree that in this case...taking into account all the facts...stranger abduction IS the most likely scenario  in this case

[Sherlock Holmes]

you are applying statistics without any understanding...as I have stated many times parental involvement in crime is seen in dysfunctional families as has been shown in the recent Scottish case. You cannot use the fact that the bungled PJ operation found no evidence to suspect the McCanns. Perhaps if the pj had done their job properly evidence of an abductor would have been found.

A good example.

She is clearly a woman with a lot of problems, and the fact appears to have been well documented over the years. This will no doubt be used against her in court.

The same cannot be said of either of the McCanns.

[stephen25000]

Very few people accuse them of it.....but suspicion is justifiable, my post was about why stranger abduction is more likely than anythng else

Let's not forget which parties pointed their accusing fingers at Robert Murat, without any evidence at all, and which person wanted him dead ? >@@(*&)

[Lyall]

I don't know, Anne. You would be in a better position to answer that than me.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-key-witness-accuses-2433328#.UuQp8dIo6t8

Never seen that one before. That's just about the most Orwellian article I've seen. It's a cracker.

[AnneGuedes]

Very few people accuse them of it.....but suspicion is justifiable, my post was about why stranger abduction is more likely than anythng else

What they are suspected to have done isn't really a crime and they would never have gone to prison for that.
The issue is what happened after that.

[AnneGuedes]

A good example.

She is clearly a woman with a lot of problem, and the fact appears to have been well documented over the years. This will no doubt be used against her in court.

The same cannot be said of either of the McCanns.

Have you informations about little Mikaeel's mum ?
What about Casey Anthony ?

[Redblossom]

It's just a guess... I've a feeling about who is Innocentman (look at the creche reports). Had she been blond, DCI Redwood hadn't hesitated to say so to manage Ms Tanner's reputation.

I cant tell from the creche reports if a child had dark or blond hair? But you can see who attended (and presumably they also attended the night creche) and you can check from the arrivals list whch children were 2 and who their parents were

As for Redwood saying the child  was blond wouldnt have made any difference to Tanners sighting/credibility as she saw a pair of legs...and lots of children have blonde hair

[Mr Gray]

Very few people accuse them of it.....but suspicion is justifiable, my post was about why stranger abduction is more likely than anythng else

It isn't