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Offline jassi

Re: Former staff at Ocean Club now being investigated over burglary claims.
« Reply #30 on: January 31, 2014, 07:05:00 PM »
You are being arrogant here..

You have no clue how many phone masts are in the PDL..

And I am talking out of an experience.. I worked with searching data a lot .. similar to this search of phone numbers..

If say a number said he was at home which was near to church and his phone at the time pinged a mast near OC then he is lying.

Then if this phone is in correspondence with three other numbers..one of which met our searched phone somewhere and the second number never appeared in the near area again than this is  highly significant.

I think we know how the system works, but it is based on the assumption that the guilty parties are carrying phones. This might work in mobile phone obsessed Britain, but may not be the same everywhere else.
No one could trace my movements, for example, for the simple reason that I don't carry or use a mobile phone.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline VIXTE

Re: Former staff at Ocean Club now being investigated over burglary claims.
« Reply #31 on: January 31, 2014, 07:21:13 PM »
Actually I just found that PDL has two mobile phone masts. Both served by TMN Portugal network.

So, there are at least two masts ( towers) and if the data is old even better..

I used http://opensignal.com/ site for searching for towers

Estuarine

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Re: Former staff at Ocean Club now being investigated over burglary claims.
« Reply #32 on: January 31, 2014, 07:27:12 PM »
With only two towers and 2007 technology you would just about be able to pinpoint a phone to within 1.5 km2. Provided it's on and not a pay as you go. This isn't Person of Interest or NCIS  8(>((

Offline VIXTE

Re: Former staff at Ocean Club now being investigated over burglary claims.
« Reply #33 on: January 31, 2014, 07:39:38 PM »
With only two towers and 2007 technology you would just about be able to pinpoint a phone to within 1.5 km2. Provided it's on and not a pay as you go. This isn't Person of Interest or NCIS  8(>((

I don't agree. It is not 2007s technology, it is today's technology on 2007s data. Plus it is a police technology.

Why it matters if it was pay as you go? The phone is not going to be used only once..it has contacts, and some of the contacts are not pay as you go. Easy to trace.


What if for example they have a terror suspect  who's just flown to Spain and is gone to a little village there.. I think police is equipped for such cases and this equipment can be used here..
« Last Edit: January 31, 2014, 07:42:41 PM by VIXTE »

stephen25000

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Offline pegasus

Re: Former staff at Ocean Club now being investigated over burglary claims.
« Reply #35 on: January 31, 2014, 08:16:57 PM »
IMO in 2007 the PJ (with help from at least one top Met phone forensics expert) did get full phone data for PDL from the landline company and from all 3 mobile companies, for several days including 3rd May, the request letters are in the files.
 

Redblossom

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Re: Former staff at Ocean Club now being investigated over burglary claims.
« Reply #36 on: January 31, 2014, 08:22:45 PM »
IMO in 2007 the PJ (with help from at least one top Met phone forensics expert) did get full phone data for PDL from the landline company and from all 3 mobile companies, for several days including 3rd May, the request letters are in the files.

What for everyone in PDL at the time? Dont think so...was just the tapas 9

Estuarine

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Re: Former staff at Ocean Club now being investigated over burglary claims.
« Reply #37 on: January 31, 2014, 08:37:17 PM »
I don't agree. It is not 2007s technology, it is today's technology on 2007s data. Plus it is a police technology.

Why it matters if it was pay as you go? The phone is not going to be used only once..it has contacts, and some of the contacts are not pay as you go. Easy to trace.


What if for example they have a terror suspect  who's just flown to Spain and is gone to a little village there.. I think police is equipped for such cases and this equipment can be used here..

You mean we are time traveling backwards with modern technology to work out where a phone was in 2007. Pay as you go is not traceable to an individual. A lot of us use them.

Redblossom

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Re: Former staff at Ocean Club now being investigated over burglary claims.
« Reply #38 on: January 31, 2014, 08:39:50 PM »
You mean we are time traveling backwards with modern technology to work out where a phone was in 2007. Pay as you go is not traceable to an individual. A lot of us use them.

Dr who is the next suspect!

Offline LagosBen

Re: Former staff at Ocean Club now being investigated over burglary claims.
« Reply #39 on: January 31, 2014, 08:48:08 PM »
All points to the original investigators not doing their jobs properly.

Jump on me if you like but it is true.

icabodcrane

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Re: Former staff at Ocean Club now being investigated over burglary claims.
« Reply #40 on: January 31, 2014, 08:49:47 PM »
I can't believe that after nearly three years,  and having spent over seven million pounds,  Scotland Yard are no further forward than  nvestigating Ocean club employees and petty thieves  ...  none of whom are directly implicated in Madeleine's disappearance 

Offline VIXTE

Re: Former staff at Ocean Club now being investigated over burglary claims.
« Reply #41 on: January 31, 2014, 08:52:28 PM »
IMO in 2007 the PJ (with help from at least one top Met phone forensics expert) did get full phone data for PDL from the landline company and from all 3 mobile companies, for several days including 3rd May, the request letters are in the files.

Is this part of it

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/OUSTROS_APENSOS_2_COM.htm

Offline LagosBen

Re: Former staff at Ocean Club now being investigated over burglary claims.
« Reply #42 on: January 31, 2014, 09:02:29 PM »
I can't believe that after nearly three years,  and having spent over seven million pounds,  Scotland Yard are no further forward than  nvestigating Ocean club employees and petty thieves  ...  none of whom are directly implicated in Madeleine's disappearance
I think that if you read the files about who or what the PJ & Co looked into it gets to a point then -----ends with nothing resolved. At least that is how a lot of things looked to me. So it is a shame that Scotland Yard are having to re look at everything -that is where the time has gone imo obviously.

Offline VIXTE

Re: Former staff at Ocean Club now being investigated over burglary claims.
« Reply #43 on: January 31, 2014, 09:09:02 PM »
You mean we are time traveling backwards with modern technology to work out where a phone was in 2007. Pay as you go is not traceable to an individual. A lot of us use them.

Phone data was collected back in 2007.
As you said recently that you haven't followed this case from the beginning allow me to say that I did follow it closely from the day one - until  now. And this was all since the very first news on Steve Huffs 's Crime blog.
How do you think otherwise the SY would be able to go through the phone calls now?
The phone data would be received from the data centres and mobile data would be collected from the masts ( towers)
This is the basics any police investigation would do and it is already been known and reported that the data collection of this sort happened in this investigation.
As the time passes the methods of analysis might be more sophisticated but the data records don't change much.

Re pay as you go phones, I am not sure if you are clever enough to understand this but for the police search in this case it doesn't really matter if the phones were pay as you go.
It would matter only if ( for example) the user was found in vicinity of PDL and 5A but his phone was bought say in Amsterdam three days prior to this phone making the fist ping to the mast in PDL and never used after that.
But even in this case police would have means to trace the phone, to say a mast at an airport with the CCTV and similar.
Nobody really gets unnoticed in our technology world unless they don't use the technology at all..
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stephen25000

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Re: Former staff at Ocean Club now being investigated over burglary claims.
« Reply #44 on: January 31, 2014, 09:29:57 PM »
What is the success rate of SY in solving reported crimes ?

Any idea how efficient they are compared to other forces ?

P.S.  Haven't you noticed the lack of any positive forensic analysis in this case ?

Or has that escaped your attention too ?
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