Former staff at Ocean Club now being investigated over burglary claims.

[pegasus]

What for everyone in PDL at the time? Dont think so...was just the tapas 9

All calls/txts to/from mobiles via PDL masts of all 3 mobile networks, plus all calls to/from PDL landlines, for several days IMO.
Request letters are in the files. Some of the data is in the files.

For example in files are ALL mobile calls and txts from PDL masts to PDL masts (every mobile, not just T9) complete with numbers (mainly portuguese mobiles plus a few german and UK mobiles) and call durations, for the period around JT sighting, and for the period around Smith sighting.

[VIXTE]

What is the success rate of SY in solving reported crimes ?

Any idea how efficient they are compared to other forces ?

P.S.  Haven't you noticed the lack of any positive forensic analysis in this case ?

Or has that escaped your attention too ?

And phone data analysis is not a part of forensics?????

All modern famous crime cases have been solved using the technology which includes the dna analysis and the dna analysis is only a part of the forensics science.
CCTV analysis, computer analysis .. are all part of the forensics.

For example:
Joran Van Der Sloot caught on hotel CCTV camera entering the hotel with the girl he killed in Peru.. caught on the CCTV exiting the room where he just killed the girl
Vincent Tabak killer of Joana Yeates, caught by his phone masts being on a bridge he had to pass to place her body where it was found. Later found his google earth search for the place where the body was had been before the police annonced where the body was..
Murder of Meredith Kercher - DNA of Amanda Cox found on the knife blade and DNA of Amanda's boyfriend found on the Meredith's bra.

In Madeleine's case the most helpful would be the CCTV images which don't exist.

The thoughtful phone data analysis for the area at the time of her disappearance is the police's best bet at the moment.

Agatha Christie should be forgotten!
In our modern world everyone of us leaves the digital fingerprints everywhere we go.. and this is the most useful in any crime case at the moment!

[pegasus]

IMO its ironic that phone records are being used to target innocent employees whose numbers were not redacted by the UK phone analysts in 2007 who did however redact (blank out) various numbers of high up UK people from the records presented in the files, including that guy who called twice during ride to Fatima.  I support the employees. Honest hard working people IMO.

[slartibartfast]

And phone data analysis is not a part of forensics?????

All modern famous crime cases have been solved using the technology which includes the dna analysis and the dna analysis is only a part of the forensics science.
CCTV analysis, computer analysis .. are all part of the forensics.

For example:
Joran Van Der Sloot caught on hotel CCTV camera entering the hotel with the girl he killed in Peru.. caught on the CCTV exiting the room where he just killed the girl
Vincent Tabak killer of Joana Yeates, caught by his phone masts being on a bridge he had to pass to place her body where it was found. Later found his google earth search for the place where the body was had been before the police annonced where the body was..
Murder of Meredith Kercher - DNA of Amanda Cox found on the knife blade and DNA of Amanda's boyfriend found on the Meredith's bra.

In Madeleine's case the most helpful would be the CCTV images which don't exist.

The thoughtful phone data analysis for the area at the time of her disappearance is the police's best bet at the moment.

Agatha Christie should be forgotten!
In our modern world everyone of us leaves the digital fingerprints everywhere we go.. and this is the most useful in any crime case at the moment!

To be fair, most use of phone data is as corroborative evidence when a suspect has been identified to prove that someone's phone was in an area. Alternatively as a means to find a missing person who had a phone.

[VIXTE]

To be fair, most use of phone data is as corroborative evidence when a suspect has been identified to prove that someone's phone was in an area. Alternatively as a means to find a missing person who had a phone.

In the UK phone records data is used on regular basis in courts, in different forms on all different kinds of cases.

And the European Union has a regulation which is requesting that phone companies hold the phone and internet data of an individual for a certain period of time.. not sure how long it is now.. I think it is 7 years.. but I might be wrong.

The intelligence agencies have a different approach.. they collect the metadata in row form.. recently reported for in all Snowden saga that they recover any call of any person in the world.  And it was also reported in the Guardian that the UK has access to this American data.. whether this would be legal this is questionable..
I am not going to go further into this story but there are ways ...

[slartibartfast]

In the UK phone records data is used on regular basis in courts, in different forms on all different kinds of cases.

And the European Union has a regulation which is requesting that phone companies hold the phone and internet data of an individual for a certain period of time.. not sure how long it is now.. I think it is 7 years.. but I might be wrong.

The intelligence agencies have a different approach.. they collect the metadata in row form.. recently reported for in all Snowden saga that they recover any call of any person in the world.  And it was also reported in the Guardian that the UK has access to this American data.. whether this would be legal this is questionable..
I am not going to go further into this story but there are ways ...

If you are suggesting that the NSA has the contents of all the calls and texts in PDL around that time, I think you are barking up the wrong tree.

[Mr Gray]

Isnt it just..and the poor child is dead and milked by many, disgusting

of course amaral is one of the most disgusting having made 1 million pounds out of the affair...quite disgusting...hopefully he will lose the lot

[VIXTE]

If you are suggesting that the NSA has the contents of all the calls and texts in PDL around that time, I think you are barking up the wrong tree.

I am not sure when NSA started collecting the data but I very much doubt they would have it..

Also not sure Portugal would be of any interest but for example it was reported in the Guardian that NSA records 95 % of German users phone traffic.

[Air Con]

In the UK phone records data is used on regular basis in courts, in different forms on all different kinds of cases.

Unless you want to use that data to prove you weren't using a phone whilst driving as alleged by a policeman.

All of a sudden that data isn't accurate to prove your innocence.

[VIXTE]

Unless you want to use that data to prove you weren't using a phone whilst driving as alleged by a policeman.

All of a sudden that data isn't accurate to prove your innocence.

This is usually caught by a camera?

IMO phone data from the data centre cannot be inaccurate.. it has to collaborate with towers .. but your own phone can give you the wrong time because the phone time is set up locally on your phone.

[Sherlock Holmes]

Nobody does, Heriberto, we're just questioning the constant hype (using the word hype diplomatically). It's the hype that makes people doubt this is anything other than the latest in a very long series of invented leads.

That's the problem with hype, Lyall, isn't it. It makes people cynical.

That's no reason not to give this particular theory the critical credit it deserves.

If we need to dismiss the theory, reasons for that will become clear.

Sloppy thinking to dismiss things just because we're getting tired.

[icabodcrane]

We don't know this yet...

Well yes,  we  do  know that there is nothing that directly implicates these former Ocean Club employees in Madeleine's disappearance

We know it because no arrests were made 

Had Redwood and his officers produced evidence that these characters  were  'directly'  involved in the disappearance of the missing child,  then,  of course,  the Portuguese police would be compelled to take immediate action

[Sherlock Holmes]

Well yes,  we  do  know that there is nothing that directly implicates these former Ocean Club employees in Madeleine's disappearance

We know it because no arrests were made 

Had Redwood and his officers produced evidence that these characters  were  'directly'  involved in the disappearance of the missing child,  then,  of course,  the Portuguese police would be compelled to take immediate action

I read yesterday that there are a few diligences that the Portuguese authorities still have to do within the framework of the letter of request before these suspects are questioned. So we're not quite there yet...

[stephen25000]

of course amaral is one of the most disgusting having made 1 million pounds out of the affair...quite disgusting...hopefully he will lose the lot

You have a vivid imagination.

What about the money the mccanns have made, as a resu;t of their complete incompetence as parents ?

[stephen25000]

And phone data analysis is not a part of forensics?????

All modern famous crime cases have been solved using the technology which includes the dna analysis and the dna analysis is only a part of the forensics science.
CCTV analysis, computer analysis .. are all part of the forensics.

For example:
Joran Van Der Sloot caught on hotel CCTV camera entering the hotel with the girl he killed in Peru.. caught on the CCTV exiting the room where he just killed the girl
Vincent Tabak killer of Joana Yeates, caught by his phone masts being on a bridge he had to pass to place her body where it was found. Later found his google earth search for the place where the body was had been before the police annonced where the body was..
Murder of Meredith Kercher - DNA of Amanda Cox found on the knife blade and DNA of Amanda's boyfriend found on the Meredith's bra.

In Madeleine's case the most helpful would be the CCTV images which don't exist.

The thoughtful phone data analysis for the area at the time of her disappearance is the police's best bet at the moment.

Agatha Christie should be forgotten!
In our modern world everyone of us leaves the digital fingerprints everywhere we go.. and this is the most useful in any crime case at the moment!

and what does the phone data show at that time ?

Zip.

other than people were using their phones.