The McCanns are the victims in all of this!

[j.rob]

The Mccanns are victims of several crimes

Lies and propaganda in the media
Serious abuse and lies on the internet by peeps who should know better.
A book written to make money, virtually accusing them of involvement
Accusations of being swingers ... leaked disinformation about them
A phoney Investigation company which leached a small fortune from the Madeleine Finding fund

I could go on, but I am sure others can add.

On the contrary, Madeleine is the victim. The McCann's attempts to portray themselves as victims are wearing very thin indeed.

What about Kate's book? Did that not make money?

The McCanns have financially benefited from the Fund. They have used the money legal fees to sue people who don't agree with them.

What about the Fund money? How much has gone into actively looking for Madeleine?

Who hired the phoney Investigation company - why did the McCanns use them?

Yes, a great many crimes have been committed. But we need to decide who has committed them.

[The Singularity]

In the true sense of the phrase, Kate, Gerry and the twins are victims of crime, the crime being that Madeleine has been abducted (yes I know people will disagree with this personal conclusion).

Aside from the how the press or PJ behaved, Madeleine remains missing and not where she should be, and that is with her family. For me, the crux of this are they victims stems from those who are of the opinion that neither Kate nor Gerry should have their sympathy. This normally starts because of their belief they neglected the children, it is then somewhat compounded by their personal belief that they had some involvement in Madeleine's disappearance. If one believes purely that they had some hand in it, then they, I can only assume, take some satisfaction and justification when they rally on Madeleine's family and seek to criticise and attack them. One cannot typically extend empathy or sympathy to someone who one despises utterly with hatred and contempt. Therefore it is very easy for some with great fortitude and bluster to disagree obsessively that Kate or Gerry can ever be victims.   

[Redblossom]

In the true sense of the phrase, Kate, Gerry and the twins are victims of crime, the crime being that Madeleine has been abducted (yes I know people will disagree with this personal conclusion).

Aside from the how the press or PJ behaved, Madeleine remains missing and not where she should be, and that is with her family. For me, the crux of this are they victims stems from those who are of the opinion that neither Kate nor Gerry should have their sympathy. This normally starts because of their belief they neglected the children, it is then somewhat compounded by their personal belief that they had some involvement in Madeleine's disappearance. If one believes purely that they had some hand in it, then they, I can only assume, take some satisfaction and justification when they rally on Madeleine's family and seek to criticise and attack them. One cannot typically extend empathy or sympathy to someone who one despises utterly with hatred and contempt. Therefore it is very easy for some with great fortitude and bluster to disagree obsessively that Kate or Gerry can ever be victims.

Dont give up the day job....

[carlymichelle]

MADDIE is the only  victim she would not be missing or whatever she is now if the mcanns had been  responsible loving parents i  always  do and will say that because without the mcanns most  sefish nassistic behaviour   on that holiday that chikd  would still be alive and well.A    big if   but if maddie is alive she is NOT alive and unharmed   and it personally makes me sick that people think a  child could be alive and unharmed   after vanashing off the face of the  earth    some people need to face reality living ina pixie dust stiff upper  lip world is no good for anybody including the mcanns

[The Singularity]

MADDIE is the only  victim she would not be missing or whatever she is now if the mcanns had been  responsible loving parents i  always  do and will say that because without the mcanns most  sefish nassistic behaviour   on that holiday that chikd  would still be alive and well.A    big if   but if maddie is alive she is NOT alive and unharmed   and it personally makes me sick that people think a  child could be alive and unharmed   after vanashing off the face of the  earth    some people need to face reality living ina pixie dust stiff upper  lip world is no good for anybody including the mcanns

Case in point as to what I described earlier, this is a good example of why some people just cannot extend empathy to another human being because in this case I suspect carlymichelle has dehumanised both Kate and Gerry.

Be interesting to ask you carlymichelle have you ever openly threated to strike or hurt either Kate or Gerry McCann, purely in the interests or proving my suspicions as outlined above

[Redblossom]

Not victims once they were official suspects though and no one to date has proven otherwise....that they should not have been suspects or that they werent involved

[The Singularity]

Not victims once they were official suspects though and no one to date has proven otherwise....that they should not have been suspects or that they werent involved

Isn't it a case of them being proved guilty of something as opposed to them having to prove their innocence? The day the PJ and Scotland Yard then reiterated that Kate and Gerry were not considered suspects, didn't that generally mean that we could empathise with them?

Im not sure why you say they are still suspects because no one has proved otherwise. This mind set does make me feel rather uncomfortable as people I have known in the past to have such a galvanised preconception rarely consider other options.

Generally speaking if someone is ruled out of an investigation its safe to assume they are no longer considered a suspect.

[Redblossom]

Isn't it a case of them being proved guilty of something as opposed to them having to prove their innocence? The day the PJ and Scotland Yard then reiterated that Kate and Gerry were not considered suspects, didn't that generally mean that we could empathise with them?

Im not sure why you say they are still suspects because no one has proved otherwise. This mind set does make me feel rather uncomfortable as people I have known in the past to have such a galvanised preconception rarely consider other options.

Generally speaking if someone is ruled out of an investigation its safe to assume they are no longer considered a suspect.

I think your "mind set " is making alot of assumptions

No one has cleared them.......

If they really  had been cleared no one would comment on their status

personally i dont believe them but thats bye the bye, based on An informed judgement made over time  from a multitude of sources, an opinion I am entitled to, that is not to say i dont think its possible an abduction happened, and I cant be wrong, so pls dont lecture abiut mind sets and "psychologies" etc

[Lyall]

Isn't it a case of them being proved guilty of something as opposed to them having to prove their innocence? The day the PJ and Scotland Yard then reiterated that Kate and Gerry were not considered suspects, didn't that generally mean that we could empathise with them?

Im not sure why you say they are still suspects because no one has proved otherwise. This mind set does make me feel rather uncomfortable as people I have known in the past to have such a galvanised preconception rarely consider other options.

Generally speaking if someone is ruled out of an investigation its safe to assume they are no longer considered a suspect.

I don't think that applies in a case with so few established facts as this one. I can't think of another as bereft actually. That's why everyone is still a suspect.

[The Singularity]

No one has cleared them.......

How do you propose they are cleared? In the court of public opinion, to some they are already guilty and should be banged up and their children taken away.

How exactly can they be cleared, what is it that you personally would accept as being proof of innocence?

[pathfinder73]

How do you propose they are cleared? In the court of public opinion, to some they are already guilty and should be banged up and their children taken away.

How exactly can they be cleared, what is it that you personally would accept as being proof of innocence?

They can ID Smithman - he disappeared of the face of the earth at the same time as Madeleine. His efits suppressed - not in the book that claims to leave no stone unturned. I wonder why?

[Redblossom]

How do you propose they are cleared? In the court of public opinion, to some they are already guilty and should be banged up and their children taken away.

How exactly can they be cleared, what is it that you personally would accept as being proof of innocence?

Im not proposing anything at all just sayng they havent been....by any official bod
et

I find you are being over dramatical too....no one is asking for them to be banged  up and their kids taken away......if you are referring to a small mount of internet users that say such things hardly the court of public opinion is it.

[The Singularity]

They can ID Smithman - he disappeared of the face of the earth at the same time as Madeleine. His efits suppressed - not in the book that claims to leave no stone unturned. I wonder why?

The efit is suppressed? Who do you believe has suppressed this efit, and I take it when you say Smithman you mean the man seen carrying a child that the family saw but only the father says it looked a bit like Gerry yest other members of the family didn't think so?

[The Singularity]

Im not proposing anything at all just sayng they havent been....by any official bod

When you say "official bod" you mean someone more official than Operation Grange detectives investigating the case and the Portuguese Police who have also investigated the case, and continue to do so? 

[Estuarine]

Case in point as to what I described earlier, this is a good example of why some people just cannot extend empathy to another human being because in this case I suspect carlymichelle has dehumanised both Kate and Gerry.

Be interesting to ask you carlymichelle have you ever openly threated to strike or hurt either Kate or Gerry McCann, purely in the interests or proving my suspicions as outlined above

Your opinion only sir/madam and the comment is right out of order in my book.