Author Topic: The McCanns are the victims in all of this!  (Read 12636 times)

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Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: The McCanns are the victims in all of this!
« Reply #45 on: January 31, 2014, 03:58:40 PM »
The question  being asked was in fact why should SY show you or anyone any evidence related to any investigation they are doing?

Because it would shut the [ censored word] up wouldn't it. 

SY are working closely with the McCanns afterall & if everyone was pro McCann there would be more people 'looking for Madeleine' wouldn't there.

It would be in theirs & Maddies best interests wouldn't it.

And this isn't just 'any' investigation is it.

That's why.
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Re: The McCanns are the victims in all of this!
« Reply #46 on: January 31, 2014, 03:59:35 PM »
Reading between the lines on this one I don't think there is any evidence to clear them, how do you prove a negative. If they had evidence to support the suspicion that both of them were complicit in Madeleine's disappearance then I am sure Snr Amaral would have acted a lot faster than he did. And if not him, then his colleagues.

Also people who are insisting with great force that they have not been cleared, well yes they have. Again facts are that the Grange team do not consider Madeleine's parents as suspects. I’m fairly sure they must have explored the possibility that they could have been involved and as such, ruled it out.

In fact if some need to see it in writing, then most of the news sites carried a direct quote from Redwood explaining that the McCanns were not under suspicion nor linked to any of their ongoing leads after reviewing the evidence. Seems that some prefer to deal with semantics when it comes to interpreting the posture of a DCI when he says someone is no longer under suspicion of a crime.

He can say whatever he likes to TV reporters. They're just sound bites.

Estuarine

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Re: The McCanns are the victims in all of this!
« Reply #47 on: January 31, 2014, 04:21:00 PM »
IF the McCanns are implicated in the disappearance of their child it was a crime committed on Portuguese soil therefore the only "authority" that counts is Portuguese. At the time of archiving the case the nature of any crime committed could not be identified. The Portuguese have reopened their case after a review which started before that of The Met. Quite what the Met are doing is open to speculation but it clearly isn't investigating a crime that was committed in a foreign country.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: The McCanns are the victims in all of this!
« Reply #48 on: January 31, 2014, 04:29:43 PM »
IF the McCanns are implicated in the disappearance of their child it was a crime committed on Portuguese soil therefore the only "authority" that counts is Portuguese. At the time of archiving the case the nature of any crime committed could not be identified. The Portuguese have reopened their case after a review which started before that of The Met. Quite what the Met are doing is open to speculation but it clearly isn't investigating a crime that was committed in a foreign country.

are you under the bizarrre illusion that SY are not investigating maddies disappearance....

Estuarine

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Re: The McCanns are the victims in all of this!
« Reply #49 on: January 31, 2014, 04:42:40 PM »
are you under the bizarrre illusion that SY are not investigating maddies disappearance....

In a foreign country the police force of that country will investigate crimes committed on their land not a force from another country. That much should be simple to grasp. Who knows what The Met are doing ? you don't know anymore than I do so don't pretend you are the hub of this.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: The McCanns are the victims in all of this!
« Reply #50 on: January 31, 2014, 04:51:44 PM »
In a foreign country the police force of that country will investigate crimes committed on their land not a force from another country. That much should be simple to grasp. Who knows what The Met are doing ? you don't know anymore than I do so don't pretend you are the hub of this.

i know that SY has investigated a murder of a british subject in a foreign country before so it is certainly possible...
are you under the bizarrre illusion that sy are not investigating maddies disappearance...you are aren't you

Estuarine

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Re: The McCanns are the victims in all of this!
« Reply #51 on: January 31, 2014, 05:02:31 PM »
i know that SY has investigated a murder of a british subject in a foreign country before so it is certainly possible...
are you under the bizarrre illusion that sy are not investigating maddies disappearance...you are aren't you

I have never said that; you have concluded that using your own puddled thinking.
I have said before and will again. There is potential for crimes to have been committed in Portugal and in The UK in this case.
Figure the rest out for yourself.
I haven't a clue beyond that any more than you have.

Offline Sherlock Holmes

Re: The McCanns are the victims in all of this!
« Reply #52 on: January 31, 2014, 05:09:01 PM »
So why don't SY just show us [ censored word ]s this solid evidence they obviously must have which proves Kate & Gerry's  complete non involvement in their daughters disappearance?

If they did that then we could apologise for doubting them, start being nice about them, join the support group & assist the 'search'.

They are working on it, Wonderfulspam....

Offline Mr Gray

Re: The McCanns are the victims in all of this!
« Reply #53 on: January 31, 2014, 05:11:30 PM »
I have never said that; you have concluded that using your own puddled thinking.
I have said before and will again. There is potential for crimes to have been committed in Portugal and in The UK in this case.
Figure the rest out for yourself.
I haven't a clue beyond that any more than you have.

SY can investigate crimes abroad with the help of the host nation...to me it looks as though that is what they are doing

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: The McCanns are the victims in all of this!
« Reply #54 on: January 31, 2014, 05:14:59 PM »
SY can investigate crimes abroad with the help of the host nation...to me it looks as though that is what they are doing

Yes, and when they solve the burglaries in PDL, hopefully they will start investigating Madeleine's disappearance.
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Offline Sherlock Holmes

Re: The McCanns are the victims in all of this!
« Reply #55 on: January 31, 2014, 05:18:08 PM »
In the true sense of the phrase, Kate, Gerry and the twins are victims of crime, the crime being that Madeleine has been abducted (yes I know people will disagree with this personal conclusion).

Aside from the how the press or PJ behaved, Madeleine remains missing and not where she should be, and that is with her family. For me, the crux of this are they victims stems from those who are of the opinion that neither Kate nor Gerry should have their sympathy. This normally starts because of their belief they neglected the children, it is then somewhat compounded by their personal belief that they had some involvement in Madeleine's disappearance. If one believes purely that they had some hand in it, then they, I can only assume, take some satisfaction and justification when they rally on Madeleine's family and seek to criticise and attack them. One cannot typically extend empathy or sympathy to someone who one despises utterly with hatred and contempt. Therefore it is very easy for some with great fortitude and bluster to disagree obsessively that Kate or Gerry can ever be victims.

Very much agree with this too, TS.

And also want to add that Madeleine's parents are also very much the victims if Madeleine is no longer alive. In that case, Madeleine, hopefully, is at rest. The parents however continue suffering.

Layers of suffering plague the McCanns: grief for their daughter, feelings of guilt, and the artificial sufferings layered further upon them via the media and through the ' helpers' such as phoney detectives who have failed them in their search. A tragic state of affairs.

Offline LagosBen

Re: The McCanns are the victims in all of this!
« Reply #56 on: January 31, 2014, 08:37:35 PM »
The Mccanns are victims of several crimes

Lies and propaganda in the media
Serious abuse and lies on the internet by peeps who should know better.
A book written to make money, virtually accusing them of involvement
Accusations of being swingers ... leaked disinformation about them
A phoney Investigation company which leached a small fortune from the Madeleine Finding fund

I could go on, but I am sure others can add.

All the above are small or major crimes against them IMO

 8@??)(

Offline LagosBen

Re: The McCanns are the victims in all of this!
« Reply #57 on: January 31, 2014, 08:39:39 PM »
Isn't it a case of them being proved guilty of something as opposed to them having to prove their innocence? The day the PJ and Scotland Yard then reiterated that Kate and Gerry were not considered suspects, didn't that generally mean that we could empathise with them?

Im not sure why you say they are still suspects because no one has proved otherwise. This mind set does make me feel rather uncomfortable as people I have known in the past to have such a galvanised preconception rarely consider other options.

Generally speaking if someone is ruled out of an investigation its safe to assume they are no longer considered a suspect.
Haven't been here for some time as it is usually the same old same old .....and any stick beat the McCanns with.
A pleasure to read a sensible post for a change. 8@??)(

Offline Mr Gray

Re: The McCanns are the victims in all of this!
« Reply #58 on: January 31, 2014, 08:50:40 PM »
Because it would shut the [ censored word] up wouldn't it. 

SY are working closely with the McCanns afterall & if everyone was pro McCann there would be more people 'looking for Madeleine' wouldn't there.

It would be in theirs & Maddies best interests wouldn't it.

And this isn't just 'any' investigation is it.

That's why.



redwood has said the mccanns are not suspects...what more do you want
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