Author Topic: Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?  (Read 205355 times)

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stephen25000

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Re: Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?
« Reply #75 on: February 01, 2014, 04:37:28 PM »
Seeing as we are having a knock about again. I had to Google Mitchell; is it the North American B25 Mitchell bomber or the Mitchell fishing reel made by Carpano and Pons? Please advise

I believe it belongs to the  pink crested members of Homo Sapiens Bullshittias.  8)--))

stephen25000

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Re: Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?
« Reply #76 on: February 01, 2014, 04:39:46 PM »
It must really piss you off that Clarence Mitchell is doing so well.  What a shame.  Never mind.

How well I am doing is none of your business.  But there is nothing vicious or accusatory in my soul.

Not at all. 

One key difference amongst others, is that I have ethics. 8)-)))

Offline comanche

Re: Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?
« Reply #77 on: February 01, 2014, 04:41:25 PM »
great news re CM always seem a decent guy and helped kate and Gerry mcanns and family

stephen25000

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Re: Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?
« Reply #78 on: February 01, 2014, 04:43:02 PM »
great news re CM always seem a decent guy and helped kate and Gerry mcanns and family

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Offline Eleanor

Re: Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?
« Reply #79 on: February 01, 2014, 04:45:47 PM »
Seeing as we are having a knock about again. I had to Google Mitchell; is it the North American B25 Mitchell bomber or the Mitchell fishing reel made by Carpano and Pons? Please advise

Pursue it further.  The Mitchells have done some amazing things.  Apart from largely peopled America and Australia.

Offline Eleanor

Re: Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?
« Reply #80 on: February 01, 2014, 04:48:00 PM »
Not at all. 

One key difference amongst others, is that I have ethics. 8)-)))

That must be really painful.  You have my sympathy.

Offline comanche

Re: Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?
« Reply #81 on: February 01, 2014, 04:49:07 PM »
 8-)(--) 8-)(--) 8-)(--)sadly I find your postings always negative and re ethics I don't think so I cannot see u have any standards. U know what my post meant to Eleanor CM is decent guy etc. and helps others. I will not reply to u in future I find your postings nasty and always picking holes.

Offline comanche

Re: Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?
« Reply #82 on: February 01, 2014, 04:55:54 PM »
8-)(--) 8-)(--) 8-)(--)sadly I find your postings always negative and re ethics I don't think so I cannot see u have any standards. U know what my post meant to Eleanor CM is decent guy etc. and helps others. I will not reply to u in future I find your postings nasty and always picking holes.
also extremely boring

Estuarine

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Re: Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?
« Reply #83 on: February 01, 2014, 04:56:39 PM »
Pursue it further.  The Mitchells have done some amazing things.  Apart from largely peopled America and Australia.

I trust they were remittance men rather than transportees. 8(0(*

stephen25000

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Re: Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?
« Reply #84 on: February 01, 2014, 04:58:53 PM »
That must be really painful.  You have my sympathy.

Not in the slightest.

It is certainly not a characteristic which has ever appeared the mitchell genome.


Cariad

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Re: Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?
« Reply #85 on: February 01, 2014, 05:11:26 PM »
8-)(--) 8-)(--) 8-)(--)sadly I find your postings always negative and re ethics I don't think so I cannot see u have any standards. U know what my post meant to Eleanor CM is decent guy etc. and helps others. I will not reply to u in future I find your postings nasty and always picking holes.

For 75k a year.... A lot of people would 'help' for that sum.

Offline Carana

Re: Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?
« Reply #86 on: February 01, 2014, 05:22:51 PM »
No it most certainly is not.        Please show me the corroberation that on the morning of the 2nd May Madeleine asked her parents why they hadn't come the night before when she cried.

Also from his book:
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The report mentions that the twins were asleep in their bed, but there is no proof to confirm it; on the contrary, in the photographs, you can see empty cots, where only the mattresses remain - the sheets and blankets having been removed. Why have their beds been stripped? If the sheets had not been removed, traces of their presence could have been found there.
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Please show corroboration from the files which shows there is no proof that the twins were asleep in their cots.

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With amazement the police officers discover a series of books and manuals exclusively intended for police services and government agencies.
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Where is the corroboration for that untrue statement in the files?

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In Ireland, the Smiths are watching the BBC news, which is broadcasting the event. For them, it's a shock: that person, they recognise him. That way of carrying his child, that way of walking...It's the man they saw at around 10pm on May 3rd,  
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Where is the corroboration in the files that the Smith family positively 100% identified Gerry as the man they saw on 3rd May?

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Jane Tanner formally identifies Robert Murat.
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Where is the corroboration for that in the files?   Where is her 'formal' statement.   There is none - because it didn't happen.

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2. It seems that the McCanns' friends have reported Maddie's disappearance to the press before informing the police about it
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Where is the corroboration for that accusation?   There is none, and the AGs report makes that quite clear.

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None of the indications which led to their being made suspects was substantiated later; there was no proof of them having notified the media before the police, the laboratory did not confirm the traces found by the dogs, and the initial e-mail indications transcribed above later turned out to be harmless.
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Unless you can provide the above corroboration  then your claim that everything in Amaral's books is corroborated in the police files is a blatently untrue.   

Good points, Benice.

The alleged Stu Prior phone conversation isn't in the files, either. And there are quite a few other examples.

Unlike US novels or TV dramatisations that often state at the end that the story was merely inspired by a true case, in this case he seems to be claiming that the entire narrarative is accurate and that a real missing little girl is dead and her parents are involved.




Offline Eleanor

Re: Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?
« Reply #87 on: February 01, 2014, 05:38:04 PM »
I trust they were remittance men rather than transportees. 8(0(*

Largely transported to Australia for Sheep Stealing and trying to feed their families.
Those who went to America mainly went to escape religious persecution and because they were deprived of their pathetic parcels of land.   
No Remittance Men.  The Mitchells were peasants.  And still are to this day.  Albeit only in spirit.

Offline Sherlock Holmes

Re: Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?
« Reply #88 on: February 01, 2014, 06:17:42 PM »
Gonçalo Amaral was no longer working for the PJ when he wrote his book, he had already retired. Other ex-policemen have written books about cases, why can't he? He also wrote the book not only to defend his honour but that of the PJ and judicial system which had been maligned systematically in the British press.

If the British press can bring out retired police officers and other so-called experts to analyse the case, I don't see why someone who was actually involved in it can't give his view, especially when his views are based on the police files.

That's true, Montclair, that he was no longer working for the PJ when he wrote the book. But as I noted in a later post - and others have noted as well - the contents of the book are brought largely from files and notes compiled during the time he was on the case. By creating this continuum of information of ideas, he himself blurs the line between his police work and his right - as I also noted in a later post - to produce a book.

As for defending  aspects of the Portuguese system from attack, it is perfectly reasonable, even honourable  that someone should wish to do this. Some of the attacks on the Portuguese  handling of the case are just plain xenophobic. (Some are, some not - we have to think carefully on these matters). But given Mr Amaral's involvement in other cases, and aspects of his own record, you have to ask yourself if he was the best person for that job. Mr Amaral is presenting himself here as a self-appointed ambassador for Portuguese justice - and I'm not sure that that has been an entirely clever move.

This thread relates to the idea of Mr Amaral being 'fair game' given the content of his book. The tile of that book alone is a provocation, the 'Truth' part being the claim that Dr Amaral has the monopoly on truth, and the 'Lie' reference being intensely accusatorial in meaning and tone.

Would Mr Amaral have imagined, upon publishing such a work, that he would not be inviting scrutiny and criticism from many quarters? Wasn't that perhaps one of his aims?
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stephen25000

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Re: Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?
« Reply #89 on: February 01, 2014, 06:30:56 PM »
8-)(--) 8-)(--) 8-)(--)sadly I find your postings always negative and re ethics I don't think so I cannot see u have any standards. U know what my post meant to Eleanor CM is decent guy etc. and helps others. I will not reply to u in future I find your postings nasty and always picking holes.

As to clarence.................

70k for managing the 'truth'.

Controlling press conferences so no pertinent questions could be asked.

Media manipulator.

Spokesman for the blair government.

Enough said.