Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?

[Luz]

I happen to agree with you on the bit that I underlined... i.e., "it's the lawyers and judiciary who should be sharing the criticism".

In theory, a magistrate / investigating judge should have played an active role in directing the police work in the Joana case. However, possibly due to overload, did this actually happen in practice? In the Joana case, it seems to have been more of a rubber-stamping exercise, following a "confession" in dubious circumstances. Then, the obvious question back down to the police was... right, she's confessed, now find the body.

How much time did the lawyers actually spend on analysing this case? What means did they have for expert opinions to counter the assertions made by the PJ?

How easy would it have been for jury members (a relatively rare occurrence) to divorce themselves from all the tabloid "leaks" prior to the case? And who leaked them? How could they have objectively have assessed evidence in the absence of an effective defence? The recorded "reconstruction" presented on the last day of the 3-day trial, must have been quite shocking, but in line with the tabloid "leaks".

It didn't seem to occur to anyone to question the validity of the so-called forensic evidence, nor the conditions under which Leonor and others were interrogated, leading to the initial "confession", let alone how João eventually signed on the dotted line that the reconstruction was "voluntary".

I'm afraid you are going too far on your appreciation about criminal cases in a country whose laws or justice system you do not know and, especially, about a case you totally have no information about.

Everything you say is totally  ... moderated ....  and it clearly displays a motivation behind it that has nothing to do with case itself but with attacking the PJ.

[Redblossom]

I'm afraid you are going too far on your appreciation about criminal cases in a country whose laws or justice system you do not know, and especially, about a case you totally have no information about.

Everything you say is totally  ... moderated ....  and it clearly displays a clear motivation behind it that has nothing to do with case itself but with attacking the PJ.

And Amaral and defending the mccanns as well as the tried and convicted murderers....not rocket science that it is not  an interest in the potential miscarriage of justice of a single case! It's trying to link two cases, on off which had no arrest charges trial or conviction so nothing whatsoever to do with a potential miscarriage of justice


Jmo


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And well said

[Luz]

And, by the way, jury trials only happen in Portugal if the defendant requests it or agrees to it. As some mentioned they are very rare.

[sadie]

I'm afraid you are going too far on your appreciation about criminal cases in a country whose laws or justice system you do not know and, especially, about a case you totally have no information about.

Everything you say is totally ... moderated ... and it clearly displays a motivation behind it that has nothing to do with case itself but with attacking the PJ.

Wrong again Luz

Carana is a deep thinker and analyst. 

The fact that you refuse to admit the appalling flaws in the PJ case says more about you than you realise.  But then we all know about you and your sense of Justice already, dont we?

[Luz]

IMO Mr Amarals team made some serious errors in the investigation.
(One example is the GNR thumbprint accidently being used (IMO) to misdeduce that KM lied about the window).
However IMO Mr Amaral is a man of integrity and I believe he will be shown to be so when the case is solved.

Wawwwwwwwwww!!!!!


That's a TERRIBLE ERROR. Even because in a crime scene it never happens that the people that investigate have to be excluded from the forensics retrieved. That's why they never contrast finger prints and swabs of the professional to the material collected.

But Kate McCann's fingerprints were on the window frame while the GNR's was on the sill.

But FSS scrambling the DNA from the samples with their technicians was perfectly acceptable, even because it was the better explanation to provide inconclusive results.

[Luz]

Wrong again Luz

Carana is a deep thinker and analyst. 

The fact that you refuse to admit the appalling flaws in the PJ case says more about you than you realise.  But then we all know about you and your sense of Justice already, dont we?

I don't know Carana and I am not going to discuss her/his skills. I said and reinforce, Carana is totally ignorant about the functioning of the Portuguese Legal System and doesn't know anything about the Cipriano case apart from what can be read in the net. Commenting on Cipriano is a way to attack Amaral and not a honest attempt to understand a case that in Portugal was resolved (not well, because people expected the murderers to have been convicted to 25 years) within what our law previews.

[Redblossom]

I don't know Carana and I am not going to discuss her/his skills. I said and reinforce, Carana is totally ignorant about the functioning of the Portuguese Legal System and doesn't know anything about the Cipriano case apart from what can be read in the net. Commenting on Cipriano is a way to attack Amaral and not a honest attempt to understand a case that in Portugal was resolved (not well, because people expected the murderers to have been convicted to 25 years) within what our law previews.

 

[Estuarine]

I don't know Carana and I am not going to discuss her/his skills. I said and reinforce, Carana is totally ignorant about the functioning of the Portuguese Legal System and doesn't know anything about the Cipriano case apart from what can be read in the net. Commenting on Cipriano is a way to attack Amaral and not a honest attempt to understand a case that in Portugal was resolved (not well, because people expected the murderers to have been convicted to 25 years) within what our law previews.

 

[Mr Gray]

Wawwwwwwwwww!!!!!


That's a TERRIBLE ERROR. Even because in a crime scene it never happens that the people that investigate have to be excluded from the forensics retrieved. That's why they never contrast finger prints and swabs of the professional to the material collected.

But Kate McCann's fingerprints were on the window frame while the GNR's was on the sill.

But FSS scrambling the DNA from the samples with their technicians was perfectly acceptable, even because it was the better explanation to provide inconclusive results.

that never happened...a forum myth

[Mr Gray]

I don't know Carana and I am not going to discuss her/his skills. I said and reinforce, Carana is totally ignorant about the functioning of the Portuguese Legal System and doesn't know anything about the Cipriano case apart from what can be read in the net. Commenting on Cipriano is a way to attack Amaral and not a honest attempt to understand a case that in Portugal was resolved (not well, because people expected the murderers to have been convicted to 25 years) within what our law previews.

from what Luz has posted re the amamral case it is Luz who is ignorant of whats happened in Portugal...claiming over and over again that amarals conviction has been overturned when it hasn't shows we should not take much notice of her posts

[Eleanor]

from what Luz has posted re the amamral case it is Luz who is ignorant of whats happened in Portugal...claiming over and over again that amarals conviction has been overturned when it hasn't shows we should not take much notice of her posts

Portuguese Law isn't the problem  It's the corruption that is the worry.

[Carana]

from what Luz has posted re the amamral case it is Luz who is ignorant of whats happened in Portugal...claiming over and over again that amarals conviction has been overturned when it hasn't shows we should not take much notice of her posts

Back in October, she stated that jury trials didn't exist in Portugal. They may be rare, but they most certainly do exist. The provision is even enshrined in the Constitution (Article 207).
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2853.msg105424#msg105424

[Eleanor]

So what is it with all this false information from Portuguese Posters?  How are we supposed to know what goes on if they don't?

[stephen25000]

So what is it with all this false information from Portuguese Posters?  How are we supposed to know what goes on if they don't?

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[stephen25000]

almost every night you engage in long off topic discussions which are removed...I've made my point....this thread is about amaral not statistics...end of

You don't seem to realize that the reason most posts are removed is because of your abusive comments which are result of you losing the argument.

As to Amaral, I await with interest the outcome of the trial.

It has been clear for several years that certain parties, namely the mccanns themselves and their devoted followers have pursued him, emotionally, personally, and of course the mccanns have financially.

All because he tried to do his job.