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Silkywhiskers

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Re: Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?
« Reply #555 on: March 19, 2014, 10:20:27 PM »
Does "deliberate or not" mean you are not sure whether he was incompetent, or deliberately steering the PJ/LP/Met/NPIA/DCIU investigation the wrong way?
I have big admiration for Mr Amaral, however in a sense I agree about the tunnel vision (a tiny example, he locked onto assuming KM opened the window).
In my amateur opinion "branching-tunnel vision" is preferable, the investigation being not a single narrow tunnel, but one which branches, mulltiple branches being investigated at once..


Tunnel vision, or following the evidence?

Which, btw, SY is now CONFIRMING to be accurate, per Smithman and a deceased Madeleine.

Stories of smelly men sitting on beds and hovering over cots, unkempt and "foreign" yet we have Smithman confirmed, with his short back and sides and immaculately clean appearance.

Andy is either screwing with OUR heads, or screwing with McCann heads.

Hmmmm....which one.....?

Estuarine

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Re: Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?
« Reply #556 on: March 20, 2014, 12:24:03 AM »

Tunnel vision, or following the evidence?

Which, btw, SY is now CONFIRMING to be accurate, per Smithman and a deceased Madeleine.

Stories of smelly men sitting on beds and hovering over cots, unkempt and "foreign" yet we have Smithman confirmed, with his short back and sides and immaculately clean appearance.

Andy is either screwing with OUR heads, or screwing with McCann heads.

Hmmmm....which one.....?

Bits of it seems to be designed to demolish some of the theories in KM's book. I reckon AR knows the answers already. I suspect he is all but there and is dotting i's and crossing t's. So in answer to your question I would think "not our heads"
Well the Macs can always sue him!

Offline Eleanor

Re: Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?
« Reply #557 on: March 20, 2014, 08:03:15 AM »
What "mess" is that?

The Libel Trials which he keeps winning?

The SY investigation which is, bit by bit, confirming his theories?

Now we have confirmation that Madeleine likely died in that apartment that night....just like Amaral said.

There are only two perhaps 9 people in a "mess" and it isnt the ex-CIO!!!!!

Confirmation that Amaral got the wrong perpetrator?  Oh well, never mind.  What's in who dunnit?  So much easier to blame the parents.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?
« Reply #558 on: March 20, 2014, 08:04:40 AM »
What "mess" is that?

The Libel Trials which he keeps winning?

The SY investigation which is, bit by bit, confirming his theories?

Now we have confirmation that Madeleine likely died in that apartment that night....just like Amaral said.

There are only two perhaps 9 people in a "mess" and it isnt the ex-CIO!!!!!

You are wrong again...Redwood never used the word "likely"...you have made that up..it makes all your conclusions worthless from a logical point of view...good entertainment though

Offline xtina

Re: Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?
« Reply #559 on: March 20, 2014, 10:50:13 AM »
You are wrong again...Redwood never used the word "likely"...you have made that up..it makes all your conclusions worthless from a logical point of view...good entertainment though


Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood, in charge of the hunt for Madeleine, accepted there were differences between these cases and that of Madeleine's disappearance but added that there was a possibility that she had not left her family's holiday apartment alive when she disappeared in May 2007.

And if DCI Redwood is now saying that Madeleine may not have been alive when she was taken from the apartment, doesn't this shine a different light on the libel trial in Portugal? Which is all about going after Amaral for publishing details which suggested that Madeleine was dead, and therefore this stopped people from searching for her? Isn't this exactly what DCI Redwood is now suggesting is the case?
Always listen to both sides of the story before you judge.

The first storyteller you will always find has modified the story, for there benefit BE WISE.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?
« Reply #560 on: March 20, 2014, 11:08:47 AM »

Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood, in charge of the hunt for Madeleine, accepted there were differences between these cases and that of Madeleine's disappearance but added that there was a possibility that she had not left her family's holiday apartment alive when she disappeared in May 2007.

And if DCI Redwood is now saying that Madeleine may not have been alive when she was taken from the apartment, doesn't this shine a different light on the libel trial in Portugal? Which is all about going after Amaral for publishing details which suggested that Madeleine was dead, and therefore this stopped people from searching for her? Isn't this exactly what DCI Redwood is now suggesting is the case?

No it isn't....amaral said that Maddie WAS dead and that her parents WERE criminally involved..

Redwood has said that Maddie MAY be dead..


Theres a massive difference but those who are blind won't see it

Offline Eleanor

Re: Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?
« Reply #561 on: March 20, 2014, 11:11:25 AM »

Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood, in charge of the hunt for Madeleine, accepted there were differences between these cases and that of Madeleine's disappearance but added that there was a possibility that she had not left her family's holiday apartment alive when she disappeared in May 2007.

And if DCI Redwood is now saying that Madeleine may not have been alive when she was taken from the apartment, doesn't this shine a different light on the libel trial in Portugal? Which is all about going after Amaral for publishing details which suggested that Madeleine was dead, and therefore this stopped people from searching for her? Isn't this exactly what DCI Redwood is now suggesting is the case?

IF Madeline is dead, and it is a big IF, then why did Amaral accuse her parents when he obviously knew about this Predator?
Or is it okay to get the basic details right while pursuing the wrong persons.
Madeleine is dead and we don't care who dunnit as long as we stitch up someone, preferably her parents.  And I have a right to say so.

Sadly, that sounds very like the Portuguese Justice of not so old.

stephen25000

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Re: Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?
« Reply #562 on: March 20, 2014, 11:19:19 AM »
IF Madeline is dead, and it is a big IF, then why did Amaral accuse her parents when he obviously knew about this Predator?
Or is it okay to get the basic details right while pursuing the wrong persons.
Madeleine is dead and we don't care who dunnit as long as we stitch up someone, preferably her parents.  And I have a right to say so.

Sadly, that sounds very like the Portuguese Justice of not so old.

Where is the evidence that this person was anywhere near PDL on the night in question ?

Or is this more hot air and no more ?

Offline Benice

Re: Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?
« Reply #563 on: March 20, 2014, 11:20:54 AM »

Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood, in charge of the hunt for Madeleine, accepted there were differences between these cases and that of Madeleine's disappearance but added that there was a possibility that she had not left her family's holiday apartment alive when she disappeared in May 2007.

And if DCI Redwood is now saying that Madeleine may not have been alive when she was taken from the apartment, doesn't this shine a different light on the libel trial in Portugal? Which is all about going after Amaral for publishing details which suggested that Madeleine was dead, and therefore this stopped people from searching for her? Isn't this exactly what DCI Redwood is now suggesting is the case?

If Amaral had suggested that Madeleine died - possibly at the hands of a paedaphile who the PJ knew was targetting and attacking British families in their holiday accommodation (which they did know about)  - then you might have a point.     However, his thesis does not even come close to what DCI Redwood has said.    Amaral blamed the parents - and did not entertain the idea that any crime by an intruder had been committed.



The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

stephen25000

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Re: Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?
« Reply #564 on: March 20, 2014, 11:23:32 AM »
If Amaral had suggested that Madeleine died - possibly at the hands of a paedaphile who the PJ knew was targetting and attacking British families in their holiday accommodation (which they did know about)  - then you might have a point.     However, his thesis does not even come close to what DCI Redwood has said.    Amaral blamed the parents - and did not entertain the idea that any crime by an intruder had been committed.

How do you know Redwood is on the right lines ?

The answer of course is you don't.


Offline Mr Gray

Re: Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?
« Reply #565 on: March 20, 2014, 11:25:27 AM »
How do you know Redwood is on the right lines ?

The answer of course is you don't.

theres more chance of Redwood being on the right line than whiskas...but you would disagree of course

stephen25000

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Re: Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?
« Reply #566 on: March 20, 2014, 11:30:07 AM »
theres more chance of Redwood being on the right line than whiskas...but you would disagree of course

Nah.

Offline Eleanor

Re: Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?
« Reply #567 on: March 20, 2014, 11:31:46 AM »
Where is the evidence that this person was anywhere near PDL on the night in question ?

Or is this more hot air and no more ?

I expect that The PJ will know the answer to that.  But I don't expect them to tell you or me at the moment.

Offline Carana

Re: Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?
« Reply #568 on: March 20, 2014, 11:49:20 AM »
Why did yet another TV show have Amaral as a star guest around the time of a Crimewatch appeal for witnesses, in which he continues to repeat his theory and rubbishes the PJ that took over after him. Including the current team that managed to get the case reopened?




Offline Eleanor

Re: Was Gonçalo Amaral fair game given the content of his book?
« Reply #569 on: March 20, 2014, 11:59:05 AM »
Why did yet another TV show have Amaral as a star guest around the time of a Crimewatch appeal for witnesses, in which he continues to repeat his theory and rubbishes the PJ that took over after him. Including the current team that managed to get the case reopened?

God knows.  They appear to be actively acting against their own beloved Police Force.  But that's Free Speach for you.