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Offline John

Re: Was the hairband found by police officers on the bedroom floor significant?
« Reply #30 on: February 01, 2014, 03:54:03 AM »
This is a new thread.
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

drummer

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Re: Was the hairband found by police officers on the bedroom floor significant?
« Reply #31 on: February 01, 2014, 04:21:25 AM »
Maybe it was Kate's.

Cariad

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Re: Was the hairband found by police officers on the bedroom floor significant?
« Reply #32 on: February 01, 2014, 09:51:21 AM »
There seems to be a "bunch" of people making jokes about hairbands.
IMO it is perfectly logical for PJ and their SY assistants to check if that elasticated hairband in PJ storage matches the one in the photo.
Its in the store. And if it is small and pink, they know where to contact officer B to resolve location found.

I'm with Red on this one. They do have a life of their own. It would probably be more strange to not find a small pink hair band in a location that a little girl had spent a week in.

They also come in multipacks. Even if it could be found to be small and pink, there's no way of knowing that it was the hair band.


Offline Sherlock Holmes

Re: Was the hairband found by police officers on the bedroom floor significant?
« Reply #33 on: February 01, 2014, 08:30:35 PM »
Maybe it was Kate's.

It would have been interesting if there had been more detail written about this hairband. For example, you can usually tell if they have been used or not.

And there is often hair attached to the ones that have been used.

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Was the hairband found by police officers on the bedroom floor significant?
« Reply #34 on: February 01, 2014, 08:49:34 PM »
I'm with Red on this one. They do have a life of their own. It would probably be more strange to not find a small pink hair band in a location that a little girl had spent a week in.

They also come in multipacks. Even if it could be found to be small and pink, there's no way of knowing that it was the hair band.



If it was found outside the bedroom window then Madeleine was there at some point. If she was seen wearing it that day and at 5.40 she went straight in and had a bath then how did it get there? It would question what actually happened when she returned to 5A if it was the pink one seen in last photo.
« Last Edit: February 01, 2014, 08:52:29 PM by pathfinder73 »
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Sherlock Holmes

Re: Was the hairband found by police officers on the bedroom floor significant?
« Reply #35 on: February 01, 2014, 08:53:07 PM »
If it was found outside the bedroom window then Madeleine was there at some point. If she was seen wearing it that day and at 5.40 she went straight in and had a bath then how did it get there? It would question what actually happened when she returned to 5A.

I wonder if this will turn out to be the Columboesque jigsaw piece that icabod is looking for, that cements the whole case.

drummer

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Re: Was the hairband found by police officers on the bedroom floor significant?
« Reply #36 on: February 01, 2014, 08:54:31 PM »
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Offline pegasus

Re: Was the hairband found by police officers on the bedroom floor significant?
« Reply #37 on: February 01, 2014, 11:51:02 PM »
Original handwriting:
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/oa/OA2_4/o_apenso_4_Vol_2_p287.jpg

My transcription:
Dia 09 Maio de 2007, circa des 0600, Satchela
Barroco de Posto de Aljizur entcontran nos traseiros do
quarto des pais da Maddie ( local que ditto encontrava ditto / zircines )
un elastico para e cabelo, abandamento/perdido no chão.
El elastica foi recolhido e ??? ??????.  ????? informando.

Please there any Portuguese speaker who can look at the handwriting, last word on third line, and improve on my incorrect transcription "zircines".
For example could it be "incerto" or some similar word of same meaning?

Offline pegasus

Re: Was the hairband found by police officers on the bedroom floor significant?
« Reply #38 on: February 02, 2014, 02:53:14 AM »
I have learned that  "traseiras" means behind (outside).
Therefore it seems likely that this elasticated hairband was found outside behind the south bedroom.
This makes sense because the GNR officer who found the elasticated hairband is likely to have been stationed outside the apartment.

P.S. Also that "no chão" (last two words on line 4) is likely to mean that the elasticated hairband was found on the floor of the veranda.
« Last Edit: February 02, 2014, 03:02:24 AM by pegasus »

Offline jassi

Re: Was the hairband found by police officers on the bedroom floor significant?
« Reply #39 on: February 02, 2014, 08:29:51 AM »
I wonder if this will turn out to be the Columboesque jigsaw piece that icabod is looking for, that cements the whole case.

I don't suppose that it will be that crucial piece of the jigsaw that Gerry insists is out there.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Was the hairband found by police officers on the bedroom floor significant?
« Reply #40 on: February 02, 2014, 01:12:44 PM »
I have learned that  "traseiras" means behind (outside).
Therefore it seems likely that this elasticated hairband was found outside behind the south bedroom.
This makes sense because the GNR officer who found the elasticated hairband is likely to have been stationed outside the apartment.

P.S. Also that "no chão" (last two words on line 4) is likely to mean that the elasticated hairband was found on the floor of the veranda.

Thanks I would say it's a significant find if it's the pink one. I believe she left via there so that's a possible clue that she did which connects with the cadaver alerts. It also questions bath time.
« Last Edit: February 02, 2014, 01:20:41 PM by pathfinder73 »
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Redblossom

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Re: Was the hairband found by police officers on the bedroom floor significant?
« Reply #41 on: February 03, 2014, 07:31:55 PM »
Possibly, but it's also possible that she had a number of hairbands from a multipack as previously mentioned. It would be very difficult to make this lead anywhere. If it had traces of blood on it then it could be linked to a head injury but there's no mention and therefore not likely.

Even if this is the only pink hairband it could still have easily been discarded at any time prior to a bath.

Tend to agree with that...the only link between the two we know of is the cadaver dog alerted at the same spot, outside the parents bedroom on that very balcony

No info if the blood dog found was deployed or found anything there though

Offline jassi

Re: Was the hairband found by police officers on the bedroom floor significant?
« Reply #42 on: February 03, 2014, 07:35:43 PM »
Possibly, but it's also possible that she had a number of hairbands from a multipack as previously mentioned. It would be very difficult to make this lead anywhere. If it had traces of blood on it then it could be linked to a head injury but there's no mention and therefore not likely.

Even if this is the only pink hairband it could still have easily been discarded at any time prior to a bath.

Also possibly shared with her sister, along with toothbrush, jimjams and sandles
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline sadie

Re: Was the hairband found by police officers on the bedroom floor significant?
« Reply #43 on: February 03, 2014, 11:12:01 PM »
Possibly, but it's also possible that she had a number of hairbands from a multipack as previously mentioned. It would be very difficult to make this lead anywhere. If it had traces of blood on it then it could be linked to a head injury but there's no mention and therefore not likely.

Even if this is the only pink hairband it could still have easily been discarded at any time prior to a bath.
Sensible comment Buzz.  How true.

It would be difficult to use this as evidence unless blood or hair or DNA of another was found on it.

Offline pegasus

Re: Was the hairband found by police officers on the bedroom floor significant?
« Reply #44 on: February 06, 2014, 12:27:05 AM »
An EVRD on the veranda indicated with his nose through the railings (also on the ground below the railings).

Therefore IMO an elasticated hairband found, probably on or near the veranda, would be something to check out, by simply retrieving said object from storage to check colour, and if colour is deemed relevant, ask the named GNR officer who found it for the exact location. OK 95% likely it may prove to be irrelevant, but what if its not?