Did the PJ conduct a proper search for evidence at OC?

[drummer]

 Did the PJ conduct a proper search for evidence at OC

No, obviously.

If/when another child is abducted from Portugal, will the PJ be more prepared to deal with the situation? Will they have altered any of their procedures? Would they do things differently? Would their searches be more thorough? Would they seal off the crime scene etc. I could go on. I am sure the answer to these questions is Yes.

If it does ever happen again I'm sure they'll be on the ball, unfortunately where Madeleine is concerned, they didn't have a clue where to begin. IMO


 

[Benice]

Have you seen them ?

Why would I?   I didn't live with the McCanns - so can't say what they wore after the 3rd May.    Or do you think they only possessed the clothes we saw them wearing in photographs.   Surely not.

[pathfinder73]

Looked at from a prior cases point of view, removal by open carrying is extremely unlikely.
Yet there is no witness report of concealed removal that night.
And we know it can't be any earlier than that night.
hmmm

Yes well I've believed in a bag being used as concealment but Smithman was seen carrying a child without a bag towards the church. So he didn't have time to dig a hole so he knew of one already around the church area that he used for concealment or bin. Any possible later move to indoors was definitely done with a bag and the first move is a good possibility and bag brought back so it was not missing when PJ arrived.  Smithman carried a bag to put inside a bin rather than a dumping a body without concealment in a bin - very risky.

[VIXTE]

No way.. Amaral checked all of the bins  >@@(*&)

[Redblossom]

Did the PJ conduct a proper search for evidence at OC

No, obviously.

If/when another child is abducted from Portugal, will the PJ be more prepared to deal with the situation? Will they have altered any of their procedures? Would they do things differently? Would their searches be more thorough? Would they seal off the crime scene etc. I could go on. I am sure the answer to these questions is Yes.

If it does ever happen again I'm sure they'll be on the ball, unfortunately where Madeleine is concerned, they didn't have a clue where to begin. IMO

There's no evidence it happened in the first place! So if methods are improved it could be down to taught by false abduction???
Couldn't make it up
 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Instead of studying the wind, blowing from the North but weaker than the night before, why don't you try to decipher the mystery of the "all open" of the first statements and the "all shut" (except for the bedroom door) of the second ones ?

Yes, I appreciate that, Anne.

I have looked at the statements but as we can't say for sure that they are accurate, I am therefore considering the matter from another angle.

[VIXTE]

Yes, I appreciate that, Anne.

I have looked at the statements but as we can't say for sure that they are accurate, I am therefore considering the matter from another angle.

Are you thinking that when Kate entered the room someone behind her back left the apartment through the patio doors, causing draft?

[pathfinder73]

No way.. Amaral checked all of the bins  >@@(*&)

I believe the bin was the first move. Smithman retrieved from there and was then seen passing the Smiths heading towards the church. Body was concealed around the church area due to time constraint. If it's not a bin the body was buried. They were laying pipes there at the time so who knows what holes were there. There was also a building site behind the church.

[AnneGuedes]

as we can't say for sure that they are accurate

[VIXTE]

I believe the bin was the first move. Smithman retrieved from there and was then seen passing the Smiths heading towards the church. Body was concealed around the church area due to time constraint. If it's not a bin the body was buried. They were laying pipes there at the time so who knows what holes were there. There was also a building site behind the church.

How do you know where he was going to?
He could have been going towards the church, towards the beach, towards a boat, towards his own home which is near the beach, towards Rocha Negra..

The dogs passed there and there was no sign of Madeleine.

IMO Madeleine was transformed by a car, parked opposite to OC, stopped near Smiths sighting and continued on foot..

[pegasus]

I believe the bin was the first move. Smithman retrieved from there and was then seen passing the Smiths heading towards the church. Body was concealed around the church area due to time constraint. If it's not a bin the body was buried. They were laying pipes there at the time so who knows what holes were there. There was also a building site behind the church.

But IMO the man coming from Rua Escola crosses Rua 25 Abril and goes down the Travessa steps (not towards church).

[pathfinder73]

How do you know where he was going to?
He could have been going towards the church, towards the beach, towards a boat, towards his own home which is near the beach, towards Rocha Negra..

The dogs passed there and there was no sign of Madeleine.

IMO Madeleine was transformed by a car, parked opposite to OC, stopped near Smiths sighting and continued on foot..

Eddie checked all around the church? Well I would like to see that report. I would get cadaver dogs around that church vicinity because that is where she was last seen heading towards. It's not rocket science.

[VIXTE]

Eddie checked all around the church? Well I would like to see that report. I would get cadaver dogs around that church area.

There were search and recsue dogs brought in from Lisbon. I remember reading these are among the best search dogs in the world.. the second in the world after the Canadians but I cannot remember where I read this..

Portugal is very trained for the rescue missions.. I think they agreed to be on call for the large area of the world.. I remember reading this somewhere too..

So, you cannot really put Eddie's ability above these dogs.. these dogs were good too..

[pathfinder73]

But IMO the man coming from Rua Escola crosses Rua 25 Abril and goes down the Travessa steps (not towards church).

The steps going down to Kelly's bar where the Smiths came from? No he didn't go down those steps.

[pathfinder73]

There were search and recsue dogs brought in from Lisbon. I remember reading these are among the best search dogs in the world.. the second in the world after the Canadians but I cannot remember where I read this..

Portugal is very trained for the rescue missions.. I think they agreed to be on call for the large area of the world.. I remember reading this somewhere too..

So, you cannot really put Eddie's ability above these dogs.. these dogs were good too..

It has to be cadaver dogs to find scent of anyone buried or who was at one point. They wanted those church keys so that vicinity needs to be checked.