Did the PJ conduct a proper search for evidence at OC?

[pathfinder73]

How could Smithman  bury anything - especially in a big hurry.    He didn't have a spade.

He didn't have time to dig a hole so the only possibility is an already made hole which he covered. You aren't going to find it - you would have to use cadaver dogs to try and discover something. Any cadaver trace in that area will be connected to Madeleine. If there's no body then it was quickly moved inside someplace after getting the keys.

[Luz]

Mr. Gerry McCann was seen entering a building in Praia da Luz that was going to be fully searched by Amaral.

Strangely the witness never made the files and the search was never followed by Paulo Rebelo ( I wonder why he left the PJ!!!!). This happened a day or two before Amaral was sent back to faro's  drug squad.

[pathfinder73]

Mr. Gerry McCann was seen entering a building in Praia da Luz that was going to be fully searched by Amaral.

Strangely the witness never made the files and the search was never followed by Paulo Rebelo ( I wonder why he left the PJ!!!!). This happened a day or two before Amaral was sent back to faro's  drug squad.

"With regard to the possible sighting of arguido Gerry McCann next to a pink coloured block of apartments at a site opposite the Luz cemetery, we can inform you that this an establishment called "St James Portuguesa Lda", lots 1 and 2 being situated in the positions mentioned, from the outside the spaces corresponding to Lot 1 can be seen of a total of apartment designated as follows: 101-104, 111-114, 121-124, 105-109, 115-119, 125-129."

I would get a list of the 2007 owners of these apartments and start from there.

[pegasus]

Indeed.
But you forgot to mention that the clothing was taken to the laundry by K McCann/Healy ( as if she was a complete moron that didn't know that crime scene evidence had to be preserved)  and the police didn't take the clothes immediately as a special favour to the British Council, that was afraid that by doing so the McCann could be looked at as suspects. Quite telling, I would say.

On Sat 5th May it was not KM who took the clothes to the OC laundry.
It was employee of MW.
Source: Processos 3 page 564-566.
 

[VIXTE]

The swinging doors is the most ridiculous arguments used by the McCann, especially because there was plenty inconsistencies, and nobody in their right mind could know how a door could have been left after a partener allegedly had been there.

I particularly appreciate Ms Kate's wooshed curtains in a place where the curtains were stuck behind a bed and a chair.

PJ missed a chance for a thorough investigation when they prioritized the "hurting" parents feelings and the pressure of the british diplomacy over the search for the truth in a crime against a child. Nevertheless, under the constraints, there are still plenty indications that made the General Prosecutor to archive the case in 2008 (in order to suspend time counting) and not close it.

The Final Report presents plenty of indications that there was a very intensive investigation despite the initial obstruction presented by McCann and OC. Let's recall that OC had a risk management guy called in from day one.

The swinging doors are not used by the McCanns.. Matt Oldfield is involved too..
I assume the McCanns have given the truthful account about the doors.
Why shouldn't they and this was hours after Madeleine went missing.

IMO someone was there all of the time!

[pathfinder73]

The swinging doors are not used by the McCanns.. Matt Oldfield is involved too..
I assume the McCanns have given the truthful account about the doors.
Why shouldn't they and this was hours after Madeleine went missing.

IMO someone was there all of the time!

Read the first statements. Matt has always maintained that the door was half-open and that was the usual door position according to Gerry in his first statement. That changed to ajar in his second statement to promote the abductor inside theory. Also the door to enter changed - this is when Amaral said Control Risks got involved and the lies started e.g. the key being left on the kitchen counter which is even more incriminating. Not having a key with you but who believes that nonsense - Gerry said he used it to enter in his first statement. This was a week later so it's a wonder how they were treated with kid gloves for so long when all these contradictions were happening so early on. Why would someone be there all the time?

[VIXTE]

Read the first statements. Matt has always maintained that the door was half-open and that was the usual door position according to Gerry in his first statement. That changed to ajar in his second statement to promote the abductor inside theory. Also the door to enter changed - this is when Amaral said Control Risks got involved and the lies started e.g. the key being left on the kitchen counter which is even more incriminating. Not having a key with you but who believes that nonsense - Gerry said he used it to enter in his first statement. This was a week later so it's a wonder how they were treated with kid gloves for so long when all these contradictions were happening so early on. Why would someone be there all the time?

I don't believe McCanns 'invented' the abduction theory and forced it in their statements.

That is a conspiracy theory!

Both police forces reviewed the files several times and the McCanns are not suspects.

Trying to find SYs and PJs mistakes this time, by suspecting parents for me personally is a waste of time..

[Redblossom]

The swinging doors are not used by the McCanns.. Matt Oldfield is involved too..
I assume the McCanns have given the truthful account about the doors.
Why shouldn't they and this was hours after Madeleine went missing.

IMO someone was there all of the time!

So you think a planned abduction, with the family movements being watched for days and seeing half hourly checks were being done, and not only by the Mccanns,  resulted in the abductor sitting in the flat for half an hour? What for? What was he doing? makes no sense. By this reckoning Tanners man automatically is neither the abductor.

[pathfinder73]

I don't believe McCanns 'invented' the abduction theory and forced it in their statements.

That is a conspiracy theory!

Both police forces reviewed the files several times and the McCanns are not suspects.

Trying to find SYs and PJs mistakes this time, by suspecting parents for me personally is a waste of time..

4 May: Thus, at 9.05 pm, the deponent entered the club, using his key, the door being locked, and went to the children's bedroom and noted that the twins and Madeleine were in perfect condition. He then went to the toilet, where he remained for a few instants, left the apartment, and then crossed ways with someone with whom he had played tennis, who had a baby buggy, also a British citizen, with whom he had a brief conversation. He then returned to the restaurant. At around 9.30 pm, his friend MATT (a member of the group) went to his apartment where his own children were, and on his way he went into the deponent's apartment, going in through a sliding glass door at the side of the building, which was always unlocked. He went into the room, saw the twins and didn’t even notice if Madeleine was there, as everything was quiet, the shutters closed and the bedroom door half-open as usual. Then MATT went back to the restaurant.

10 May: He walked the normal route up to the back door, which being open he only had to slide, and while he was entering the living room, he noticed that the children's bedroom door was not ajar as he had left it but half-way open, which he thought was strange, having then thought that possibly MADELEINE had got up to go to sleep in his bedroom, so as to avoid the noise produced by her siblings. Therefore, he entered the children's bedroom and established visual contact with each of them, checking and he is certain of this, that the three were deeply asleep. He left the children's bedroom returning to place the door how he had already previously described, then went to the bathroom. Everything else was normal, the shutters, curtains and windows closed, very dark, there only being the light that came from the living room. He adds that he did not enter any other part of the residence, where he was for only two or three minutes, leaving yet again through the back door, that he closed but did not lock.

[Mr Gray]

Mr. Gerry McCann was seen entering a building in Praia da Luz that was going to be fully searched by Amaral.

Strangely the witness never made the files and the search was never followed by Paulo Rebelo ( I wonder why he left the PJ!!!!). This happened a day or two before Amaral was sent back to faro's  drug squad.

Perhaps Rebelo was in on it

 

[jassi]

Perhaps Rebelo was in on it

Don't know about that, but he certainly didn't seem to get any further despite his apparent diligence

[AnneGuedes]

4 May: Thus, at 9.05 pm, the deponent entered the club, using his key, the door being locked, and went to the children's bedroom and noted that the twins and Madeleine were in perfect condition. He then went to the toilet, where he remained for a few instants, left the apartment, and then crossed ways with someone with whom he had played tennis, who had a baby buggy, also a British citizen, with whom he had a brief conversation. He then returned to the restaurant. At around 9.30 pm, his friend MATT (a member of the group) went to his apartment where his own children were, and on his way he went into the deponent's apartment, going in through a sliding glass door at the side of the building, which was always unlocked. He went into the room, saw the twins and didn’t even notice if Madeleine was there, as everything was quiet, the shutters closed and the bedroom door half-open as usual. Then MATT went back to the restaurant.

It's "ajar" in the translation (entreaberto in Português) and in the (third) time-line, Mr McCann found at 9:05 the door slightly ajar (about 45 degrees) which is unusual.

[pathfinder73]

It's "ajar" in the translation (entreaberto in Português) and in the (third) time-line, Mr McCann found at 9:05 the door slightly ajar (about 45 degrees) which is unusual.

Thanks why does it say half-open as usual re Matt?

[AnneGuedes]

Thanks why does it say half-open as usual re Matt?

He doesn't say "half open", but "ajar".

[pathfinder73]

He doesn't say "half open", but "ajar".

Matt said it was half-open so why did he say Matt said it was ajar? This is getting confusing lol. Anyway that door was half-open.