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Offline starryian

Re: Jeremy Bamber - The Tragedy of little Nicolas and Daniel.
« Reply #15 on: June 21, 2012, 04:08:49 PM »
Why would JB stage a suicide in June and Ralph´s bedroom and not in Sheila´s own? Something I have always wondered about.

Just had a horrible thought. Putting your thumb into your mouth could be a self-soothing mechanism. It isn´t a given that both twins did not wake up.
Abs we will never know the answer to that question. I have a feeling that one or both of them could have stirred because Bamber shot them repeatedly in the head. I just hope, and prey that they were not aware what was happening to them. Poor little souls.
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ludwig

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Re: Jeremy Bamber - The Tragedy of little Nicolas and Daniel.
« Reply #16 on: June 21, 2012, 04:16:04 PM »
Why would JB stage a suicide in June and Ralph´s bedroom and not in Sheila´s own? Something I have always wondered about.

Just had a horrible thought. Putting your thumb into your mouth could be a self-soothing mechanism. It isn´t a given that both twins did not wake up.

The point about why Jeremy moved Sheila into main bedroom is interesting. One thing that people forget is that there were two staircases in WHF: the main staircase near the front entrance that leads to a point between the main and Sheila's room and the second staircase in the kitchen leading up to the back of the house. This second staircase would go past the the twins room towards the main bedroom. Did Jeremy use the second staircase after killing Neville? (Note that in the crime scene photos of the kitchen show the door to this staircase in the kitchen is open).  Did he go back upstairs via this staircase to kill the twins? He then may have been confronted by June and Sheila in the main bedroom (Sheila having woken up at this point).
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Offline starryian

Re: Jeremy Bamber - The Tragedy of little Nicolas and Daniel.
« Reply #17 on: June 21, 2012, 04:17:10 PM »
I wonder in what order they were shot, I mean it from the point of view that it would give me nightmares if the little boys saw any of this as it would if Sheila had to watch her children being shot. There was a case some years ago about Anil Chohan and his family whose murders were organised by Regan (they were drowned) and Onka Verman, the brother of Anil Chohan's wife said that's what upset him the most, wondering who had watched who die.
Joanne, It may be of help to read some of my earlier posts. They may assist you in determining what sequence the victims were shot in. It became quite an important aspect for the greedy Bamber when visiting his solicitor a day after the killings when he was informed that the uncertainty surrounding the sequence of the deaths may affect his inheritance. Bamber must have galled at listening to the news as he knew exactly what order they died in.
This also became an issue with both the prosecution and the defense later in determining culpability and establishing a time frame for the killings.
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Offline starryian

Re: Jeremy Bamber - The Tragedy of little Nicolas and Daniel.
« Reply #18 on: June 21, 2012, 04:46:03 PM »
Why would JB stage a suicide in June and Ralph´s bedroom and not in Sheila´s own? Something I have always wondered about.

Just had a horrible thought. Putting your thumb into your mouth could be a self-soothing mechanism. It isn´t a given that both twins did not wake up.

The point about why Jeremy moved Sheila into main bedroom is interesting. One thing that people forget is that there were two staircases in WHF: the main staircase near the front entrance that leads to a point between the main and Sheila's room and the second staircase in the kitchen leading up to the back of the house. This second staircase would go past the the twins room towards the main bedroom. Did Jeremy use the second staircase after killing Neville? (Note that in the crime scene photos of the kitchen show the door to this staircase in the kitchen is open).  Did he go back upstairs via this staircase to kill the twins? He then may have been confronted by June and Sheila in the main bedroom (Sheila having woken up at this point).
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Another interesting point Ludwig,
However, personally I feel there is a simplistic answer to this. Common to most habitual liars, Bamber overstated his case for Sheila's culpability by making sure her body was found in the same room as one of the victims. It was designed to leave the police with no doubts whatsoever as to exactly who was really responsible for the murders at first glance and to back up the cock n' bull story Bamber had just told to the police outside. It was the same overstatement as the supposed late-night distressed phone call, the amateur dramatics outside the farmhouse when told of the family's fate, the ostentatious display of 'grief' at the funeral and numerous other incidents where Bamber almost fell over himself in an effort to both blame Sheila and remove the finger of suspicion from himself.
We are dealing with a very cunning psychopath in Jeremy Bamber, and to unravel his evil machinations and the murders that he undoubtedly committed, it is necessary to look beyond normal human rationale and step into a much more unfamiliar and darker place. This is what some very well-meaning but hopelessly naive journalists who have written eloquently about Bamber's innocence fail to consider.
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Offline abs

Re: Jeremy Bamber - The Tragedy of little Nicolas and Daniel.
« Reply #19 on: June 21, 2012, 08:16:36 PM »
Why would JB stage a suicide in June and Ralph´s bedroom and not in Sheila´s own? Something I have always wondered about.

Just had a horrible thought. Putting your thumb into your mouth could be a self-soothing mechanism. It isn´t a given that both twins did not wake up.
Abs we will never know the answer to that question. I have a feeling that one or both of them could have stirred because Bamber shot them repeatedly in the head. I just hope, and prey that they were not aware what was happening to them. Poor little souls.

That we can agree on 100%! From what I have read and seen, Nicholas and Daniel were precious, creative, smart, FUNNY boys, full og life and humour. It is absolutely heart breaking that their lives were cut short in such a brutal, senseless manner. We can only hope that their deaths were swift and they never saw what was coming.

Offline Joanne

Re: Jeremy Bamber - The Tragedy of little Nicolas and Daniel.
« Reply #20 on: June 23, 2012, 06:02:15 PM »
Thank you, I'll read back.