Scipio the above are your views, beliefs, opinions which you are perfectly entitled to hold. What the above doesn't do however is provide any evidence whatsoever that JB is the perpetrator, no more than anything I have ever posted does either.
You make so many assumptions:
The assumptions are coming from you. I am posting evidence that demonstrates what occurred. Also exploring the claims Jeremy made and whether the evidence supports of refutes his claims. I am also applying the evidence to your claims.
There is no evidence to support Jeremy's claims or yours. Jeremy and you are both proven liars.
You still keep lying about there being a phone call from Nevill to police though the telephone company said 1 call was made and that this call was ended by the party at Goldhanger not WHF. Worse yet your supposed evidence of this second call is a document from a dispatcher that indicates the call was from the cop who Jeremy spoke to. One of these cops messed up the time one recorded 3:26 the other 3:36 one of them got it wrong. This little error resulted in dishonest supporters claiming Nevill called police before phoning Jeremy.
You don't even go with this lie though you make up a worse lie. You suggest Nevill called police after calling Jeremy though the timing doesn't work out. How could Nevill call Jeremy, then call police and yet the time he called police to be 10 minutes prior to Jeremy? There calls would have been roughly the same time if both called police after speaking to one another. In any event, the evidence proves there was no second call it was just made up like the claim there were two bodies in the kitchen was made up. That lie is still being alleged on the blue forum as well though no honest person does so.
Why don't you ask them to approve my membership so I can make monkeys out them.
- How do you know SC made NB put the phone down?
- How do you know the reason NB called JB?
What I know is that NB never called JB or anyone else that night. He had part of his lip shot off, his haw shattered and voicebox severed before he could have gotten anywhere near a phone so at best coudl have dialed a phone but not have spoken in any fashion that could have been understood.
Furthermore if he dialed he would have gotten blood on the phone and had he by some miracle been able to speak he would have stated he and June had been shot and to send help. No one who is shot neglects to mention that and the need for medical attention.
JB clearly made up this phone call. He thus made up the reason for the call and mad eup the conversation. His alleged purpose for NB making the call made no sense at all. In evaluating his claims you evaluate the supposed reason for the call in addition to objective evidence of whether it actually occurred.
I don't assume anyone made NB put the phone down the call never happened. Jeremy dialed, left the phone off the hook and answered when he got home and he ended the call himself. That is what the evidence proves happened.
The evidence presented at trial is the caller at WHF put the phone down and left it off the hook and that it wa hung up at Goldhanger.
So your suggestion that Nevill hung up then called police is impossible. He coudl not have hung the phone up because he was dead but even if alive at the time JB made the call he still could not have hung it up because the phone was not hung up it was left off the hook at WHF.
Why would NB dial, speak to JB and then leave the phone off the hook?
You are suggesting this happened so the only plausible explanation would be Sheila came in and made him stop speaking. JB claimed the line went dead but this didn't happen according to the telephone company so he was caught in a lie. He also lied tha the could have hung up and immediately redialed the number because it would have taken 1-2 minutes for the line to clear. This prompted him at one point to say the phone was simply dropped and he could hear struggling in the background then hung up to call police.
Again let's just look at Jeremy's claims mixed with yours:
A) June and Nevill allegedly tell Sheila they want her to give up the twins. Sheila is quiet and docile and offers no resistance to the idea
B) Sheila stews and around 3AM she gets out of bed and decides to kill everyone including herself or decides to start a fight and to threaten them with a gun
C) She grabs the gun and wakes up her parents to argue
D) Neville is not concerned enough to try to disarm her instead he calls Jeremy to come disarm her which would take time or in the alternative wants him to come calm her down
E) June stays in bed and Sheila stays there arguing with her as NB went to make the call, NB leaves the phone off the hook without hanging up and goes back upstairs to the bedroom
F) Sheila opens fire and Nevill is wounded. Instead of trying to disarm her he still runs away to try to reach the phone again which he left off the hook though JB should no longer be on the line he should be on his way over.
No it still doesn't make any sense. It makes no sense for her to be set off suddenly at 3Am as everyone is asleep instead of when they were allegely discussing the matter earlier. It makes no sense for Sheila to grab the gun and wait such a long period of time to use it. It makes no sense for Nevill to leave her with June instead of trying to disarm her. It makes no sense for her to let Nevill go use the phone. It especially makes no sense to ask someone with a poor relationship to come make matters worse instead of her favorite person to try to "talk her down". It makes no sense for the boys to not wake up from the commotion.
The allegation is she went into a crazy rage and decided to kill everyone because of that rage. That being the case she would have open fire upon entering and arguing not hold the gun in her hand an extende dperiod of time before doing anything. It doesn't fit. Nor does it fit the crime scene.
The crime scene features Nevill running down to the kitchen once not multiple times. Nor does it fit that she could have taken a box of ammo with 50 round, fired 25 and for 30 to remain. When you factor in the lack of GSR and all of the other evidence like the back spatter in the suppressor but not rifle you have a slam dunk against Jeremy.
The natural assumption seems to be for assistance to disarm but it could just as well be to clarify for SC that her parents did not intend to move her back to Essex against her will and/or have the twins removed from her care. We do not know the family dynamics. We do know from Dr Ferguson's wit stat that SC harboured very disturbed thoughts about June and the twins. She saw NB as a support and mentor in her life. Dr F states that she made no ref to JB. If she felt JB was a threat then she is likely to have mentioned this to her psychiatrist. I believe she also discussed with her psychiatrist that she saw her friend Freddie as the devil. From this it appears she felt neutral about JB. No reference positively (as with NB) or negatively (as with June, the twins, Freddie). Perhaps NB felt JB would act as an ally in whatever point(s) he wanted to get over in an attempt to pacify and calm SC down. SC may have even asked NB to call JB as she wanted to confirm with JB what NB was telling her.
Bringing up things from years earlier before Sheila was successfully medicated means nothing. When did she state the things about her children? Not recently and even back then she was not seen as a threat.
At any rate the issue is the phone call. Aside from the fact that Jeremy ALONE says that the family wanted her to give the kids up for adoption, he is the one who detailed the supposed conversation. He made no mention of his father saying come over to help speak to her and calm her down. Nor would he have a reaosn to do so, JB had a poor relationship with his sister so why would NB want him to come try to talk to her? The person, by your own admission, with the best relationship with her was NB. So NB had the best chance of calming her down, JB would only aggravate matters.
JB clearly suggests NB wanted him to come there to disarm her. That is the only reason to mention she has a gun. She has a gun come quickly. Who would suggest that means come help speak to her and calm her down because she is upset? You mention a gun either to request help disarming her or to have him call police. There is no other reason to say it.
JB didn't suggest his father called him to come speak to her and calm her down. His father expressed fear that she was going to use a gun and to come quick to help wiht the gun situation. The logical assumption is to come
to disarm her and that is what Jeremy claimed he thought NB wante dbut he said he was scared to do it so would not go try and instead called police.
No doubt you will attempt to lambaste the above but the fact is you do not know no more than I do as we were not there. All that is known is that JB claims he received a call from NB telling him:
I know that the call would have been impossible for Nevill to make and that Jeremy thus placed the call to Goldhanger and made up the conversation.
1. SC is going crazy
2. SC has the gun
And asking him:
1. Come over
The above does not equate to disarming.
Jeremy claimed he thought he wanted him to disarm her but was afraid to go try it so instead called police.
There is no rational explanation for the claim other than this expecially since he had such a poor relationship with Sheila. Jeremy would only make her more upset he coudl not possibly diffuse the situation given their poor relationship. But you ignore that and all other rational thought because you want to believe Jeremy is innocent so make up anything you can think of no matter how absurd to try to suggest his innocence is possible.
You constantly misquote me. Please can you produce a post of mine where I have stated the following which I have extracted from your post above:
"Yes I know you maintain Nevill ran to the kitchen 2 times to use the phone. You claim Sheila made him put the phone down and ordered Nevill back to bed and she started shooting when both parents were back in bed then a seocnd time he fled to the kitchen but this time didn't make it to the phone before being killed. There is no evidence to support your claim and it makes no sense".
You are right it makes no sense so why would I have posted it? 
You also state: "Testomony of Julie's roomates is that when the line cleared he phoned her".
Were the roommates there? How could they testify? They testified about the time JB made the call to JM. These times varied due to clocks being fast/slow and I would say people being half asleep and misinterpreting. Even the clock in the police station was out by 10 mins. How can any of this be reliable?
There is no way anyone can prove or disprove the said call was made. JB claims he received a call from NB. He attempted to call back a couple of times and claims he heard the engaged tone. This would take some 60 secs. He then looked up the local number for the police station. This would take at least another 60 secs. Expert evidence at trial said had NB left the phone off hook it would take some 1 - 2 mins for the line to clear. By the time JB rang the local police station the line would have cleared regardless of whether NB replaced the receiver or not. Even if he called JM first the line could have cleared. In any event at trial the second log hadn't surfaced so it was thought the phone off the hook was connected to the call JB claims to have received from NB. It could be completely unrelated eg NB calling EP as per second log.
In the judge's summing up he said the jury needed to decide whether JB was telling the truth re the phone call. If at trial it could be established by way of telephony technology or other means that JB invented the call then the judge would not have posed the above question for the jury to deliberate over would he? It would have been game over for JB and you and I in all likelihood might never have had the pleasure of exchanging posts
I don't misquote you, I quote you correctly which is your gripe. Looking at your impossible and ridiculous quotes and having them analzyed is extremely painful to you.
The judge noted that the jury had to WEIGH the evidence and decide whether JB invented the call based on such evidence.
That evidence included the telephone company saying there was a call but that the phone was never hung up at WHF but rather the call was ended at Goldhanger and furthermore it would take 1-2 minutes for the line at Goldhanger to clear.
That is the complete opposite of what Jeremy claimed at various times. Jeremy claimed the phone went dead and he immediately hung up the phone and hit redial but the phone was busy. At other times he claimed he called the police immediately not redial. But the trial testimony formt he telephone company was that the phone was not hung up at WHF so it didn't go dead as claimed. Worse yet, it woudl have taken 1-2 minutes for th eline to clear for him to dial out so he can't have immediately hit redial or phoned the police as claimed.
This is what the jury had to evaluate among other things like the fact Nevill was wounded before he coudl have reached the phone and these wounds rendered him unable to speak.
The trial evidence thus also contradicts you claims. You IGNORE the evidence and suggest NB hung up the phone and then called police even though the evidence was that the phone was never hung up and that there was no record of any second call to police. The record in question was of a conversation between the cop Jeremy spoke to and a dispatcher.
I am not putting words in your mouth about Nevill running down to the kitchen twice. You he DEFINITELY made the first call in the kitchen before he was wounded because he would not have been abloe to speak after being wounded.
The wounds he suffereed that rendere dhim unable to speak were inflicted in the bedroom so you say after he made the call he went back upstairs.
After being shot he ran to the kitchen this you suggest was his second foray into the kitchen.
What basis do you have to suggest this happened? NONE!
You made it up because that is the only way to pretend NB made a call to JB.
The evidence establishes the killer entered the bedroom, woke Nevill and June and shot them. The killer did so from the foot of the bed which left the door clear and they ran for the door to escape the gunfire. Nevill was wounded and unable to speak before he could use the phone it was all a lie.
You refuse to accept the facts and evidence because you don't like the conclusion it leads to.
You refused to accept trial testimony related to back spatter for the same reason. An expert testified at trial that the fatal neck wound was a contact wound and virtually certain to result in back spatter inside the rifle muzzle. The lack of it in the barrel would indicate either it was cleaned out of a suppressor had been attached. The suppressor had the expected blood and it was of Sheila's type so this proves the suppressor was attached when she was shot.
Does the defense have any expert who can refute that back spatter owuld be virtually certain to get inside the barrel from such a wound? No. So the appeal court accepted these factual findings because they were not rebutted. What about you? You MADE UP the claim it was no a contact wound though you have not a shred of evidence to discount the finding it was. You MADE UP the claim that only head shots can produce back spatter not a neck wound though you could not produce any evidence. You MADE UP that back spatter is extremely uncommon. I can provide countless examples where you chose to ignore evidence without any basis to do so and just flat out made things up.
One of my favorite claims is your tale about how the blood and paint were definitely planted though you can't even venture a guess as to who supposedly did it let alone how.
Debates tequire evidence and claims that make sense. Nothing you say ever makes sense or has any evidentiary foundation it is always contradicted by the evidence.
