Author Topic: Jeremy Bamber - The Aga cooker and its relevance to the burn marks on Nevill  (Read 39029 times)

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Offline goatboy

I've had a look. The JR seems pretty scathing of the celebrated "Arizona Tests" doesn't it? And that was pretty much the only thing McKay had.

Offline Andrea

There is no comparison is there.

On the one hand you have the warm, blood rich, delicate skin of a living human being, to the cold dead, bloodless rind of a pig.

Offline ActualMat

I agree Andrea, it's strikingly obvious. It almost seems like a direct attempt to fabricate evidence under unfair circumstances.

Dillon

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Thank you for posting these links. Having read the judgement, it shows just how carefully and thoroughly Bamber's case has been reconsidered yet again. The idea that there has been some sort of conspiracy by the " establishment " to sustain the conviction of an innocent man is bizarre. Bamber, unlike a few other individuals who tragically have been victims of miscarriages of justice, has been treated with great fairness at considerable cost to the public purse. His few remaining supporters need to step back from their emotional commitment to his cause and realise that his conviction is entirely safe.

jackiepreece

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With respect I disagree, your threshold for a conviction being safe is a lot lower than mine. There are too many questions still not answered for me so I will carry on searching and hope maybe there is further information to help get to the truth in information still withheld under PII.

Offline Angelo222

With respect I disagree, your threshold for a conviction being safe is a lot lower than mine. There are too many questions still not answered for me so I will carry on searching and hope maybe there is further information to help get to the truth in information still withheld under PII.

But we don't need any further information Jackie.  Everything which is available tells us that Sheila was set up and the only other person in the frame is Jeremy. 

On another point it was wrongly claimed yesterday that Jeremy had no marks on him when he did.
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

Je ne regrette rien!!

Offline Andrea

There was only one person being framed for these slayings,  and that was Sheila.

Bamber makes a big fuss over the silencer, he knows if it was on or off that night, but he cant say or he will drop himself in it! We have all seen the photo's of Sheila. she's innocent.

Offline Andrea

Even Mike knows that Sheila didnt kill herself. He said so on the forum.

jackiepreece

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Andrea the CCRC would not have spent thousands or millions on this case if it was that simple.
There has always been doubt in this case and while evidence is still withheld it will continue and no doubt a fresh application is being prepared for the CCRC

As time goes on the subject of PII will be further scrutenised by the media and I believe evidence will not be hidden away so easily that might give definitive answers saving millions of pounds in applications to the CCRC

Padgates staff

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Ca a PII be overturned? I cannot find the answer on the internet and it doesn't state if a PII lasts forever or a set number of years.

jackiepreece

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Joanne Ngb will know the answer

Dillon

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Andrea the CCRC would not have spent thousands or millions on this case if it was that simple.
There has always been doubt in this case and while evidence is still withheld it will continue and no doubt a fresh application is being prepared for the CCRC

As time goes on the subject of PII will be further scrutenised by the media and I believe evidence will not be hidden away so easily that might give definitive answers saving millions of pounds in applications to the CCRC

With respect, too, Jackie IMO the issue of PII may be a red herring and not some sort of Holy Grail in providing evidence of Jeremy Bamber's innocence . Essex Police, when they finally got their act together , interviewed and took statements from people who for example knew the family, knew Jeremy and Sheila specifically,  more distant relatives etc . This material was not  used in court, probably because it was peripheral to the main case. In addition they should have things like personal letters from Sheila to relatives which do not help Jeremy's cause because they present a different perspective on Sheila's state of mind in contrast to the picture of demonic psychotic illness favoured by those who argue that she was responsible for the shootings.  I know that very sympathetic letters of condolence were sent to Jeremy after the murders offering help etc. These too seem to have disappeared and possibly are held by EP. Some gruesome crime scene photos such as off the twins head gunshot wounds may also have been kept out of the public domain. EP have a duty of care to protect
individuals and their families from the frankly brutal harassment of the media besides other private individuals with an interest in the case who are able to use the various web modes to broadcast their opinions without much fear of prosecution or civil action for defamation.
Even the children of family members who did provide evidence have been subject to quite intolerable pressures.

However, I do realise that PII witheld material does provide ammunition for conspiracy theorists. Maybe it would be better if the CCRC was more explicit about their awareness of PII documentation and its relevance to their deliberations and likewise could explain in more detail what is being witheld and why. At a personal level, I can tell you that my family's privacy could be at risk simply because a late relative
( not directly related to the Bambers ) made a statement as part of EP's wider investigation . I am pretty sure that I know the names of others in a similiar position.

Dillon

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As a postscript to my earlier post , it is interesting that Simon Mc Kay who seems to be a sharp advocate, does not seem to have made play with the PII issue in his representation of Jeremy Bamber but rather has concentrated on things like the US gun tests .

Offline Angelo222

Ca a PII be overturned? I cannot find the answer on the internet and it doesn't state if a PII lasts forever or a set number of years.

Certainly can Joanne.  A judge can vary its terms or remove it on application.   As already commented on by Dillon it is noticeable that Jeremy Bamber's lawyer Simon McKay hasn't dared go down this route because he knows it would be a waste of time.  The PII material Is merely an embarrassment to Essex Police and holds no answers to the White House murders.

Hope this helps.   
« Last Edit: January 04, 2013, 12:28:39 PM by David »
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

Je ne regrette rien!!

jackiepreece

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Andrea the CCRC would not have spent thousands or millions on this case if it was that simple.
There has always been doubt in this case and while evidence is still withheld it will continue and no doubt a fresh application is being prepared for the CCRC

As time goes on the subject of PII will be further scrutenised by the media and I believe evidence will not be hidden away so easily that might give definitive answers saving millions of pounds in applications to the CCRC

With respect, too, Jackie IMO the issue of PII may be a red herring and not some sort of Holy Grail in providing evidence of Jeremy Bamber's innocence . Essex Police, when they finally got their act together , interviewed and took statements from people who for example knew the family, knew Jeremy and Sheila specifically,  more distant relatives etc . This material was not  used in court, probably because it was peripheral to the main case. In addition they should have things like personal letters from Sheila to relatives which do not help Jeremy's cause because they present a different perspective on Sheila's state of mind in contrast to the picture of demonic psychotic illness favoured by those who argue that she was responsible for the shootings.  I know that very sympathetic letters of condolence were sent to Jeremy after the murders offering help etc. These too seem to have disappeared and possibly are held by EP. Some gruesome crime scene photos such as off the twins head gunshot wounds may also have been kept out of the public domain. EP have a duty of care to protect
individuals and their families from the frankly brutal harassment of the media besides other private individuals with an interest in the case who are able to use the various web modes to broadcast their opinions without much fear of prosecution or civil action for defamation.
Even the children of family members who did provide evidence have been subject to quite intolerable pressures.


However, I do realise that PII witheld material does provide ammunition for conspiracy theorists. Maybe it would be better if the CCRC was more explicit about their awareness of PII documentation and its relevance to their deliberations and likewise could explain in more detail what is being witheld and why. At a personal level, I can tell you that my family's privacy could be at risk simply because a late relative
( not directly related to the Bambers ) made a statement as part of EP's wider investigation . I am pretty sure that I know the names of others in a similiar position.



What an excellent post Dillon.  Who are you? especially 'However, I do realise that PII witheld material does provide ammunition for conspiracy theorists. Maybe it would be better if the CCRC was more explicit about their awareness of PII documentation and its relevance to their deliberations and likewise could explain in more detail what is being witheld and why. At a personal level, I can tell you that my family's privacy could be at risk simply because a late relative
( not directly related to the Bambers ) made a statement as part of EP's wider investigation . I am pretty sure that I know the names of others in a similiar position.'



I suppose for me in every conviction that is successfully overturned there has often been witheld evidence that usually comes to light in a large majority of those cases and witheld for no good reason.  It would be good to know the percentage of miscarriage of justice cases in the last ten years where witheld evidence sent an innocent man to prison. Maybe if that percentage were highlighted it could bring about a change